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Ocean Liners
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posted 01-08-2005 02:04 AM      Profile for Ocean Liners     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
La Marseillaise was launched as MARECHAL PETAIN on June 8, 1944 and begun to sail Messageries Maritimes' Far East run in 1949

More photos here

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posted 01-11-2005 12:18 PM      Profile for sslewis   Author's Homepage   Email sslewis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A splendid ship indeed, and with quite an history.
Scuba-divers, she is still there in Grenada!

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posted 01-12-2005 12:22 PM      Profile for sslewis   Author's Homepage   Email sslewis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Did you notice the "Hull-hole" balconies?
They were closed by Arosa Line(Anything to do with Aida Cruises?) who operated her North Atlantic, painted black.
Her 3 propellers drove her at 24 knots in service and a Normandie type bridge and covered foredeck(Teugue in French) would have been useful on this route, but she was 20m shorter than ssFlandre!
Costa rebuilt her, but I have always wondered what she would have been like if converted like the
Flavia, Victoria or even Angelina Lauro?

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posted 01-12-2005 05:55 PM      Profile for Brian_O     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by sslewis:
Did you notice the "Hull-hole" balconies?

Balconies? LOL I believe that is a promenade deck, but I could be wrong.

Brian


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posted 01-12-2005 08:46 PM      Profile for Ocean Liners     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Toutes les cabines des premières classes seront extérieures et certaines auront même un balcon particulier donnant sur la mer.

Can anyone confirm the deck(s) of First class cabins?


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posted 01-14-2005 12:31 PM      Profile for sslewis   Author's Homepage   Email sslewis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The hull-holes balconies were enclosed by Arosa line to become Verandah(as in ssMardi Gras).
The ship was plying on the North Atlantic with a rather splendid black hull livery and must have met her compatriot ssFlandre in New-York!
Carnival also had wonderful Hull-holes balconies on the Fantasy class.
I wish my Bianca C deck plans were not lost in a hurricane!

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posted 01-14-2005 01:13 PM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ocean Liners:

Somewhere in my slides, yet to be scanned, is a photo I took of La Marseillaise in MM service, tied up to the pier in Yokohama. She brought me a car I had purchased in Hong Kong.

I shall find it at post it...someday.


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posted 01-14-2005 01:39 PM      Profile for Champlain   Author's Homepage   Email Champlain   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Balconies on MM Liners

I confirm that LA MARSEILLAISE was equipped with a small number of 1st class cabins with individual baLconies, situated on both sides of the ship.
These balconies (similar actually to the 'hull holes' built on MARY 2) were introduced on MM liners as early as 1931 on FELIX-ROUSSEL and ARAMIS and the following year on GEORGES-PHILIPPAR, all three vessels built for the Marseille-Indochina-Yokohama service and notable for their 'mushrooms' squat funnels. LA MARSEILLAISE was built as a replacement for the GEORGES-PHILIPPAR and had a much more powerful appearance.
Best,
Champlain


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posted 01-14-2005 07:52 PM      Profile for Caronia II     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I keep seeing comments on these forums about "hull hole" balconies, but I can't quite tell if people like them or hate them...

My wife and I had one of these types of cabins on the Carnival "Imagination" and we enjoyed it tremendously. I particularly liked the relative lower elevation and the privacy afforded by the solid bulkheads. The balconies on the Radisson Diamond are similar in configuration and privacy and we enjoyed that cabin as well.

Recently we travelled on the Carnival Pride and found that the thinner dividers and glass rail, while offering a nice view felt so open that it almost seemed dangreous to let our boys sit outside even with us there with them. It was a very nice cabin, but didn't have the same comfortable cacooning feel.

So, we like "hull holes, and I'd book another such cabin in a minute... It's surprising what a little bit of steel can do to your perceptions!


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posted 01-14-2005 11:12 PM      Profile for Ocean Liners     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Champlain:
Balconies on MM Liners

I confirm that LA MARSEILLAISE was equipped with a small number of 1st class cabins with individual baLconies, situated on both sides of the ship.
These balconies (similar actually to the 'hull holes' built on MARY 2) were introduced on MM liners as early as 1931 on FELIX-ROUSSEL and ARAMIS and the following year on GEORGES-PHILIPPAR, all three vessels built for the Marseille-Indochina-Yokohama service and notable for their 'mushrooms' squat funnels. LA MARSEILLAISE was built as a replacement for the GEORGES-PHILIPPAR and had a much more powerful appearance.
Best,
Champlain


The photo seen Balcony cabin on FELIX-ROUSSEL .

P.S. Cambodge thanks in advance

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posted 01-15-2005 09:04 PM      Profile for Ocean Liners     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Vietnam Sisters' had First class cabins on D deck and one deck below C deck/midships.
All cabins on D deck were Outside double cabins with balcony except five cabins in the forward area.

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posted 01-16-2005 10:04 AM      Profile for sslewis   Author's Homepage   Email sslewis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Felix Roussel balcony cabins were cleverly organised..see how the beds were positioned to allow acces to the outdoor area?
I love the bed nearer to the balcony.
What is the handle near the window(and not porthole?).
Using the term Hull Hole balcony is by no means pejorative, but rather exacting.
It's a wonderful feature, cheaper than the unsafe common balconies!
La Marseillaise was a bit like a prototype of the Viet-Nam class, which could do 24 knots on 2 propellers.

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posted 01-16-2005 10:54 AM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I posted pix of the types of "balcon" cabins we occupied on the "Vietnam" in my Saigon River piece. But after looking again at my posted photos of "Cambodge" I note that the "balcon" cabins are actually located on the top of the hull, at the lowest level of the superstructure.

Not so on "La Marseillaise."


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posted 01-16-2005 07:23 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Interesting.....So some of the early 1900s liners were equipped with balconies. Then the balcones dissappeared and came back during the later portion of the 1900s....
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quote:
Originally posted by Keitaro:
Interesting.....So some of the early 1900s liners were equipped with balconies. Then the balcones dissappeared and came back during the later portion of the 1900s....

Viet-Nam sisters dicnontinued their service in 1970 though QE2 was fitted Deluxe suites with Private Verandah in 1972.


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posted 01-16-2005 11:17 PM      Profile for Ðraikar   Email Ðraikar   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
La Marseillaise
simple and beautiful

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posted 01-17-2005 09:54 AM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
To Nevadaflip: Were not the "lanai" suites on the Presidents Cleveland and Wilson, balcony suites?
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posted 01-17-2005 10:21 AM      Profile for sslewis   Author's Homepage   Email sslewis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I believe so Cambodge, but not sure.
Can anybody confirm please?
I know that Constitution and Independence had sky roof suites, and an enclosed verandah.
ssMardi Gras/Empres of Canada First class staterooms were covered in anothertoic and had a distinct Verandah which Carnivale could have open.
Costa should have reopened them on BiancaC.

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In the mid 1960's ,There were three type of Lanais which comprised two Beds and Lanai with Settee, chairs, Table and coded C-6, C-7 and C-8(higher) but not balcony cabins as like MM's Liners.
These Lanais were located Upper deck/Aft and both Presidents had five C-6 type Lanais plus connecting Lanais were 51-53-55 and 50-52-54 and coded C-7 type except 50(C-8).

The top category cabins were Magellan Suite, Neptune Suite and Royal Suite* and comprised Bedroom and Sitting room.

*Renamed when Crown Prince Akihito; the present Emperor was on board the Wilson's former Neptune Suite in the spring of 1953 on the way to Britain to represent the Emperor at the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II.

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Thanks OC for the good explanation on the APL lanais. I tried two times to respond yesterday but each time got error msgs after hitting the "Add Reply" button.

The lanais were actually one large cabin with a divider about waist high that separated the sleeping area from the window area. In the window area were chairs, table, etc, for sitting and reading, looking out, etc. The windows were fixed and could not open so it was not a balcony. In fact, as a ship of the time (1947/48) the lanais and suites were the only cabins that had windows, all other outside rooms had portholes.

Jerry


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posted 01-18-2005 03:05 PM      Profile for Champlain   Author's Homepage   Email Champlain   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What about Matson liners ??


The three beautiful Matson liners delivered in the early thirties were each equipped with 8 (?) suites, each with private balconies. I think these cabins were also named 'Lanai suites'. Even the older MALOLO (to become MATSONIA) during her refit in 1937 was equipped with 16 suites with balconies.

These features are different from hull holes in that they are not situated in the hull itself but in the superstructures of the ship. Nevertheless, I think they also were uncommon features on the liners built during the inter-war years.

Are there other examples from this period of time ?

Thank you,
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quote:
Originally posted by sslewis:
I believe so Cambodge, but not sure.
Can anybody confirm please?
I know that Constitution and Independence had sky roof suites, and an enclosed verandah.
ssMardi Gras/Empres of Canada First class staterooms were covered in anothertoic and had a distinct Verandah which Carnivale could have open.
Costa should have reopened them on BiancaC.


The sky suites on Independence were built into the space that originally housed the ship's solarium and later gym. The solarium was added in 1959 during the Independence and Constitution's major rebuilding. Both ships existing and newly added verandah cabins on the boat deck forward. The seperate portion of the cabin featured deck to ceiling windows that faced the boat deck and could be cranked opened. There was minimal privacy as passengers could look into your verandah area from the public deck.


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posted 01-19-2005 11:51 AM      Profile for sslewis   Author's Homepage   Email sslewis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks very much all FYI!
I have to add that I was delighted to realise that a model of La Marseillaise stars behind Curt Jurgens when he tries to hold on Brigitte Bardot!
The movie "God Created Woman" was actually made near the LM shipbuilders and provides much comfort when in winter blues spell!
OL, could you report those Suites on Mardi Gras/Empress of Canada for comparison with La Marseillaise please?
The French quaterly magazine Navires had a nice article on MM, and I hope they will feature LM one day!

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Louy,

when she was sailed as Mardi Gras, There were six verandah Suires in the midships on Upper deck and consisted of two lower beds, sitting room, convertile sofa bed.

I'll post the photo here.


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quote:
Originally posted by Champlain:

The three beautiful Matson liners delivered in the early thirties were each equipped with 8 (?) suites, each with private balconies. I think these cabins were also named 'Lanai suites'. Even the older MALOLO (to become MATSONIA) during her refit in 1937 was equipped with 16 suites with balconies.


Queen Frederica had 6 suites with sitting room on Riviera deck which was used as Boat deck in Malolo days.
Malolo was renaimed Matsonia in 1937.
A year later, she was modernized and raised by a full deck.
I wondered where the Lanai suites were located.

Matsonia

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The Monterey, which had been laid-up since 1947 proved to be the best candidate for this role and promised the ability of entering service in the least amount of time. Already a sister to the ship Lurline, the accommodations of the Monterey could be reconstructed along the same lines as those on the Lurline. Matson Line repurchased the Monterey from the US Government on February 3, 1956 for $2,556,000 and work began immediately.

Newport News Shipbuilding & Drydock Company in Virginia won the contract to perform the work. Prepared at the Bethlehem Yard in Alameda, the Monterey was dressed in primer and had her new name 'Matsonia' painted on her bow. The ship departed San Francisco Bay for the first time in nine years under tow to the Virginia shipyards. With an overall cost of $17,500,000 the reconversion of the ship was overseen by maritime architects Gibbs & Cox. (Designers of the Atlantic liner ss United States)

During this refit, the 'B' Deck promenade was removed and cabins were installed in its place. Large 'Lanai' suites identical to those found on the Lurline were installed amidships on the new Matsonia and a Polynesian décor was applied throughout the ship. Her bow was modified to a more graceful 'clipper' design as well.

Monterey

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