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The Big U is next.
In all likelihood, this is true, but do not take it as 100%. The breakerthat was quoted has been historically unreliable about many things of recent.
Bangladesh has a poor infrastructure in dealing with all materials other thansteel. It makes little sense for NORWAY to go there, especially because theIndians have had their eye on her for several months.
Peter Knego
quote:Originally posted by Rex:A 43 year old ship with problematic boilers....it was bound to happen sooner than later.The Big U is next.
And the Independence too...
Indeed. NCL will not invest over a BILLION dollars to refurbish two has-been liners that will have little to no current marketing value no matter how loud we complain, debate, or yell.
It just wont happen...
If that is the case then, just for once, I would have no trouble with the EEC taking action to ban all Star ships from Euro ports for a while to remind them that a legal undertaking has teeth.
Besides - who with any taste in ship design wants freestyle and balcony blocks?
Oh well Oceanic, Monterey, Ausonia, Maxim and Sky? (can't get enthusiastic about the Emerald) -then back to land based steam chasing!
quote:Originally posted by Patsy:More chance of snow on the equator than Star Cruises confirming anything.
It does snow on the equator if one is at a high enough altitude.
Brian
quote:Originally posted by Brian_O:It does snow on the equator if one is at a high enough altitude. Brian
...well, there is still a chance that they confirm it.
It is dreadful news of course, but I still maintain that thanks to NCL, the ship has had a long, glorious and profitable career - unlike almost all her contemporaries.
quote:TBirdFrank wrote:Didn't Star get the Norway out of Bremerhaven without complying with EEC legislation as to asbestos removal because she was a refurb and not a demolition candidate?If that is the case then, just for once, I would have no trouble with the EEC taking action to ban all Star ships from Euro ports for a while to remind them that a legal undertaking has teeth.
The asbestos issue is a serious one. What about this:
quote:Why India can’t stop toxic shipsChetan ChauhanDecember 27, 2005New Delhi -- The ship is pure poison. And is on its way to India to die a toxic death. One of the world's most poisonous dead ships, Clemenceau will probably not be stopped by the Indian authorities when it reaches Alang in mid-January.The Central Pollution Control Board guidelines bar vessels carrying poisonous cargo, but there is no bar on ships made of toxic material.The Ministry of Environment and Forests’ rules stipulate that vessels made of toxic material like asbestos and used for insulation in Clemenceau need to be decontaminated before entering India. But it rarely happens."The cost of decontamination is very high and so most of the ship-breaking agents avoid it. Our government does not have sound systems to check whether the ship has been decontaminated," says Ravi Aggarwal of Toxic Link.In that case, admit environment ministry officials, the ship enters India and is allowed into Alang after a cursory check."The toxic environment officials of Customs check the ship's interior (for paint) for toxic material. If it is there, agents are asked to decontaminate that particular portion and the ship is allowed to enter," an official said.Ricky — Danish warship — was similarly allowed entry into Alang despite a warning by the Denmark government to India that the ship was carrying asbestos and was carcinogenic.The ship was cleared for dismantling after the Customs environment wing and officials of the State Environment Pollution Control Board cleared it. The ship has once again brought back the spotlight on toxic handling facilities at Alang port, the world's biggest ship dismantling yard.Greenpeace, which is spearheading the campaign against the dismantling of toxic ships, say workers in Alang have died due to exposure to toxic waste.It says the ship has up to 30 per cent asbestos as against the French government's claim that it contains only 10 per cent asbestos."It is highly toxic and workers stand the risk of being exposed to contamination as they are not provided safety kits. The work is the worst form of manual labour. Developed nations cannot throw their junk into the developing world for the sake of economics," says Shailender Yashwant, campaign director, Greenpeace.Hindustan Times
New Delhi -- The ship is pure poison. And is on its way to India to die a toxic death. One of the world's most poisonous dead ships, Clemenceau will probably not be stopped by the Indian authorities when it reaches Alang in mid-January.
The Central Pollution Control Board guidelines bar vessels carrying poisonous cargo, but there is no bar on ships made of toxic material.
The Ministry of Environment and Forests’ rules stipulate that vessels made of toxic material like asbestos and used for insulation in Clemenceau need to be decontaminated before entering India. But it rarely happens.
"The cost of decontamination is very high and so most of the ship-breaking agents avoid it. Our government does not have sound systems to check whether the ship has been decontaminated," says Ravi Aggarwal of Toxic Link.
In that case, admit environment ministry officials, the ship enters India and is allowed into Alang after a cursory check.
"The toxic environment officials of Customs check the ship's interior (for paint) for toxic material. If it is there, agents are asked to decontaminate that particular portion and the ship is allowed to enter," an official said.
Ricky — Danish warship — was similarly allowed entry into Alang despite a warning by the Denmark government to India that the ship was carrying asbestos and was carcinogenic.
The ship was cleared for dismantling after the Customs environment wing and officials of the State Environment Pollution Control Board cleared it. The ship has once again brought back the spotlight on toxic handling facilities at Alang port, the world's biggest ship dismantling yard.
Greenpeace, which is spearheading the campaign against the dismantling of toxic ships, say workers in Alang have died due to exposure to toxic waste.
It says the ship has up to 30 per cent asbestos as against the French government's claim that it contains only 10 per cent asbestos.
"It is highly toxic and workers stand the risk of being exposed to contamination as they are not provided safety kits. The work is the worst form of manual labour. Developed nations cannot throw their junk into the developing world for the sake of economics," says Shailender Yashwant, campaign director, Greenpeace.
Hindustan Times
IMO, Star/NCL has an obligation to safely remove and dispose of any hazardous material from SS NORWAY before she goes to any of the third-world scrappers (such as Alang or Chittagong).
And yes I agree, the European Union should slap sanctions on Star/NCL if they have contravened any laws.
******
Cheers
Shown here as sold for scrapping. This just changed as I was on the site just days ago and she was showing for sale.
Gordon
quote:Originally posted by DAMBROSI:I want confirmation on this......
quote:Originally posted byAtlcruiser: http://www.tug-barge.com/p508.htm
Looks like we the confirmation you were looking for?
Truly the end of an era and a once grand and proud lady of the North Atlantic...
She gleamed like new her inaugural season as Norway, and despite teething pains with her electrical, she offered both an old and new world of cruising experience all in one. Her cabins looked as clean and ready as if they might just have been installed, but spoke of another era, with their rubber bladed fans and three panel vanities. The Club Internationale had all of the glamour and charm of a movie set from the 30's... and one could easily imagine being in a movie starring Cary Grant while strolling her promenade.
Her size was unbelieveable even to a passenger who was very familiar with the QM1. The way she towered over both the Miami terminals and every other ship within sight... To be travelling on Norway was truely a special and envied experience. Standing on the shore in St. Thomas and asked which ship you were on, one had only to point to the mouth of the harbor and people would remark with surprise... "Oooohhhh... Norway!" There was and probably never will be again as beautiful a sight as Norway at anchor in the bay in Charlotte-Amalie. Framed by palms and green shores, the beautiful green Virgin Island waters giving way to her powerful, sleek, smooth, dark blue hull. To pull alongside her even on those enormous tenders was to be dwarfed and impressed.
I sailed on her two subsequent times and still fondly recall getting to know her crew, and sneaking around the older spaces that had been closed to the public... Her hidden treasures, like the chapel that still looked ready for a service, but was used as a dressing room and storage... and her lost spaces like the exceptionally lovely library still intact for use those first days or the passageway that had once been the courtyard of the upper deck suites, now filled by a pool...
An era has come to an end and the torch of the past has been handed over to QM2 to carry forward. The busy days and languid nights of the express liner come cruise ship.
France and Norway will be sorely missed and a tear will fall on the rim of an old commemorative tumbler as one last Yellowbird is raised in her honor.
J'ai fait un résumé de ce que nous savons à l'heure qu'il est sur l'avenir du Paquebot Norway ex-France avec une liste des sites d'information, forum pour suivre l'actualité et les lieux d'échanges...
Français: wwW.LeGlaneur.info
Bonne lecture et bon surf... partager vos découvertes... confirmations, photos, anecdotes d'actualités, merci et
A bientôt...
LeGlaneur.info
Hello,
I made a summary of what we know at this moment about the future of the Passenger ship SS Norway ex-France with a list of the sites of information, forum to follow the current events and places of exchanges...
English: Babelfish.Altavista.com/.../LeGlaneur
English: translate.G oogle.com/.../LeGlaneur]
Good reading and good surfing, share your discoveries, confirmations, photos, anecdotes of news, thank you and
Goodbye...
[ 12-29-2005: Message edited by: wwW.LeGlaneur.info ]
Well said...very poetic and incredibly emotional. THANK YOU.
It's like the death of an old friend that has had a terminal disease; you knew the end was coming but when the word is official, it's a bit difficult to handle.
She was one of a kind, and a chapter in the history of the trans-atlantic ocean liner has come to an end.
It is always sad when any ship reaches the end of her useful life and faces the inevitable, we should bear in mind that regardless of what ship or what owner every ship is built to last a certain time and no more. While Norway was perhaps the last-built of the true Atlantic Liners (with apologies to QM2 and QE2 which are really half cruise ships half liner) NCL did over the years ruin her especially with the addition of the extra decks, her interiors were also radically altered - certainly rescue what remains, perhaps Celebrity could design a restaurant on one of thier new builds around what can be retrieved ? At least then part of her will be at sea for a while longer. yes it is sad, but lets also remember she was a diaster as a Liner financially, so why remember her as a Liner, she is perhaps best remembered as a pioneer in the 7 day bus run cruise industry - she helped enable the Carnivores and RCL's of this world to build an industry that not only survives but florishes. Last time I saw her in St Thomas it was obvious little was being spent on her, best a last brave drive up the beach rather than a conversion to a rusty static casino/amusement arcade a la Oriana 1. If we were talking the Normandie then it would be different. You can't save every ship that has ever floated, where would we put them all ?
And what a poignant picture this makes as what is probably one of the last images we shall see of this vessel intact. Thanks to LeGlaneur.info for the link.
Farewell, old girl. We're all the more saddened without you.
[ 12-29-2005: Message edited by: BigUFan ]
quote:Originally posted by dmwnc1:Caronia II ...Well said...very poetic and incredibly emotional. THANK YOU. It's like the death of an old friend that has had a terminal disease; you knew the end was coming but when the word is official, it's a bit difficult to handle.She was one of a kind, and a chapter in the history of the trans-atlantic ocean liner has come to an end.
I agree with both of you. We knew it was coming right enough, but I still can't get over the duplicity and more importantly silence from Star Cruises even now.
Farewell France/Norway. So glad to have seen you if not sailed on you. You'll be missed here in Southampton too.
I cannot make further comments at this moment.
Regards,
Mike
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