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Tom Burke
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posted 10-19-2006 08:29 AM      Profile for Tom Burke   Author's Homepage   Email Tom Burke   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And in timely fashion, here's an interesting story about her, or at least about a crew member & involving the ship: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/6065610.stm It looks like he's got the Cunard spirit: never do things by halves!

[ 10-19-2006: Message edited by: Tom Burke ]


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Cambodge
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posted 10-19-2006 11:07 AM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
...speaking of such. Were there ever any arrests or convictions for the QE2 crew members who threw the tapestries overboard, some years back?

[ 10-19-2006: Message edited by: Cambodge ]


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Colin
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posted 10-20-2006 05:19 AM      Profile for Colin   Email Colin   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think there's more to this.

765,000 is an awful lot of cigarettes. Its not like its a couple of carrier bags full, its more like a pallet load, the sort of thing that would need a fork-lift truck to load.

Can you see the officer in charge of the crew gangway or the loading dock happily calling up a fork-lift truck to load a crewmember's shopping? And then locking it away safely for them?

To me it sounds more like the ship's supply. Is it possible that Cunard has been buying some of their stock where they shouldn't have, and its the provisions master or some such that's been arrested?


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posted 10-20-2006 06:35 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Colin you read my thoughts entirely. This amount would have needed a truck to deliver.. no way could any individual, or several, sneak them ashore for resale. Seems to me they should have come under the 'bonded' duty free goods held aboard and for some reason were not declared? and yup the guy in charge got arrested.

1000 cigarettes is 5 cartons which more than fills a standard carrier bag and there were 765 of these?

765000/200 = 3825 cartons
150000/3825 = £39.21

The revenue 'evaded' would not be equal to the cost of each carton, revenue would be payable yes, but on that amount if taken ashore.

Or perhaps these were not marked as per the cans of drinks along the lines of 'Maritime sales only'? [if the same system applies?] & Cunard have been purchasing cigarettes cheaper elsewhere than they can obtain from the normal suppliers?

Perhaps someone can enlighten us to the real story and goof or otherwise?

Pam

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posted 10-20-2006 07:35 AM      Profile for Globaliser     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
Seems to me they should have come under the 'bonded' duty free goods held aboard and for some reason were not declared? and yup the guy in charge got arrested.
I understand the point about the volume, but it would seem to me to be overkill to arrest a member of staff if the actual dispute is about the ship's own stocks and whether the ship has properly paid or accounted for the revenue due. Unless someone's in a position in which he expects personally to profit from what's going on, I wouldn't expect anyone to be arrested - despite what we see on TV and in movies, it's a big step for police to take.

The arrest seems to me to be an indicator of a large-scale personal smuggling operation; the scale may indicate that more people are involved in a conspiracy than have yet been arrested, but there isn't yet enough evidence to arrest anyone else.


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santa naria
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posted 10-21-2006 06:14 AM      Profile for santa naria   Email santa naria   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
talking as an ex-crewmember is it is possibly that this was a one man show from inside the ship maybe one more for the warehousse where it was stored.as a crew member you can buy a cartoon of cigs for 12 dollars(if i recall it right) in the crew bar and take it off the ship easily.for me the crew member in mention has been onboard for a long time once you know when the customs are there or not you can walk out with lets say with 2 cartoons first then came back for more a few hours later.when the ship docks in southampton the crew customs on the dock side are only there for the first 2-3 hours then its clear.as for the declaration of cigs on crew customs you can declare 1 cartoon and the rest you can hide it away somewhere in the ship(qe2 crew area is massive there are loads of places to hide)but never hide it in your cabin.i worked on the qe2 for 10 years visiting southamptons 15-20 times during one contract if you take 2 at a time in contract thats 40 lets say in 10 years alone you can take out easily 765 cartoons.he can still be doing this by himself but with the help of the philipino crew you pay them 5 dollars and they will take two out for you.
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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 10-27-2006 09:34 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi All

It is supprising what some senior ships crew will get up to !

On the old ss Oriana in 1983 we caught a barman who was buying his own bottles of duty free spirits ashore and then selling them by the measure through his bar.

All the profit from these sales was going in to his pocket !

As the ships Hotel Manager I suspected something was wrong with the sales for this bar and as a result although we were on Australian Cruising we had British police flown out to the ship, from the UK, to investigate.

They dressed to mix in with the passengers !

At that time all our bar sales were for cash !

Using marked large demomination Australian dollar paper currency the police bought drinks at this bar but this currency was not paid in by the barman when he did his pay in of the days taking for his bar !

This resulted in the barman being caught at Sydney airport, when returning home on leave to the UK, with a brief case containing some of the marked Australian dollar notes.

He was arrested at the airport and returned to the UK at a later date with a police escort.

He was charged with theft by P&O and received a jail sentance.
A large amount of money was also recovered.

On our next drydock, at Singapore, all our bars were fitted with computerized tills for stock control !


Neil ( Bob )


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posted 10-27-2006 11:24 AM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Neil Whitmore ( Bob ):
Hi All

It is supprising what some senior ships crew will get up to...


Neil,

Interesting story. That got me to thinking that you might be able to shed some light on the true relationship between the shops recommended by the ship's staff during port talks and the cruise line/ship/staff.

Joe at TravelPage.com


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posted 10-27-2006 07:07 PM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi Joe

Thanks for asking about recommended shopping !

It often happens that the lecturers on the ports of call tell you which shops to visit when in a port.

They often receive a back hander from these shops or the supermarket type businesses selling only booze and cigarettes.

This is more likely to happen where they give you a card for the shop !

These are not always regular ships staff but just on board for certain cruises where they know the areas visited.

Even entertainments staff, table waiters or cabin stewards have been known to give out cards for certain shops !

We did not allow this to happen with the port lecturers on the old ss Oriana when she was on Australian cruising around the Pacific Islands or on a cruise to the Far East ports.

Often at the booze supermarkets they receive a free case of wine or spirits for recommending that outlet !

Neil ( Bob )

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