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joe at travelpage
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posted 11-28-2006 01:44 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I received this as a gift this past weekend. It was given to my wife's grandmother by her waiter on the Caronia. It is about six inches tall.

Anybody know what it is? Any way to tell how old it is?

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posted 11-28-2006 01:53 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Looks like a salt or pepper shaker. I could be off color and write what it really looks like.
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posted 11-28-2006 02:16 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Part of a cruet set from 1948 - Elkington Silver Plated. See here.

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posted 11-28-2006 02:18 PM      Profile for Liner Enthusiast   Email Liner Enthusiast   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Whatever it is...
It's not older than 72 years old.
(Cunard-White Star Merged in '34)

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posted 11-28-2006 02:24 PM      Profile for Liner Enthusiast   Email Liner Enthusiast   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
Part of a cruet set from 1948 - Elkington Silver Plated. See here.

Pam


Armed with that info...
Caronia was launched in '48.
Since it came from a waiter on Caronia, it would be a safe bet to assume that's where it came from.


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posted 11-28-2006 02:50 PM      Profile for Globaliser     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by joe at travelpage:
It is about six inches tall.

Anybody know what it is?


At that height, my guess is that it's a sugar shaker.

I wonder how long it is since they have been in general use? I know that in the mid-70's, an elderly couple who I used to stay with occasionally still used a sugar shaker. But I think that that one was the only one I have ever seen in actual use.


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posted 11-28-2006 03:15 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It probably is the sugar shaker.

[They still used these in Littlewoods in Oxford Street in 1975/6. I expect Littlewoods has gone now, but I used to meet an Aunt there for lunch when we had a day's shopping. They did a good Fish and Chips in the basement. One day whilst chatting my Aunt managed to pick up the wrong shaker and covered her Fish and Chips with sugar This has been a joke the family ever since.. so I won't forget those sugar shakers.. just a bit bigger than the salt and pepper they had].

Pam


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posted 11-28-2006 03:21 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here you go Joe, see Caronia II Timeline and photo of Sandringham Restaurant.. the Sugar Shaker.

Pam

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posted 11-28-2006 03:26 PM      Profile for Jekyll   Email Jekyll   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
While I am not disputing it is a sugar shaker - I am wondering why it would be on a tbale at a time when they were serving wine at a meal.

Maybe it's a an "era" thing or a "North American" thing - but nowadays we see sugar coming after the meal with the tea or coffee...can anyone enlighten me?


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posted 11-28-2006 03:33 PM      Profile for sympatico     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Jekyll:
While I am not disputing it is a sugar shaker - I am wondering why it would be on a tbale at a time when they were serving wine at a meal.

Maybe it's a an "era" thing or a "North American" thing - but nowadays we see sugar coming after the meal with the tea or coffee...can anyone enlighten me?


It looks as though the dinner has finished and they are just eating or finishing their dessert. Notice that there is only a spoon at the one place setting so therefore the other cutlery has been removed.
Also looks a teapot in the background - they are probably having their dessert, tea and coffee. That's why the sugar shaker is there.


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posted 11-28-2006 03:37 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Note the birthday cake and single candle

Just found the full version of this picture, 1/3 the way down this page.

Pam

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linerguy
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posted 11-28-2006 03:40 PM      Profile for linerguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
On the table there is a birthday cake with one candle,...they are just starting dessert, coffee/tea will be out soon and the sugar will flow freely!

GREAT item, Joe!

-Russ


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posted 11-28-2006 03:41 PM      Profile for linerguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Pam, you just beat me to it!

-Russ


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posted 11-28-2006 03:50 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not very obvious though when the eye is looking for the silverware.

Got anymore interesting items to look up Joe?

Pam


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Jekyll
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posted 11-28-2006 04:08 PM      Profile for Jekyll   Email Jekyll   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks to you Eagle Eyes!

I never even thought about it being dessert time! Frankly, if it's dessert - why have tea/ coffee - just keep the wine flowing


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posted 11-28-2006 05:52 PM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi All

It is possible that the sugar shaker could contain demerara sugar and be there for use if sliced melon is being served.

We used them for that purpose on P&O in the late 50's and early 60's.

We also had them with white sugar in for use on grapefruit or cereals at breakfast.

Neil ( Bob )


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posted 11-28-2006 06:52 PM      Profile for Cunard Fan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What a interesting topic... suger shakers
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posted 11-29-2006 12:23 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Specifically it is meant for castor sugar, I have one form the Windsor Castle - 1st class dining room of course !

Tradtionally it would only be used for service of desserts, breakfast would normally be a regular sugar bowl and spoon, of course nowadays (and I mean the last 20 odd years) you would rarely if ever see one, I doubt a waiter on QM2 would know what it is if he fell over one !


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posted 11-29-2006 04:45 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi Mike SA

On both 1st Class and Tourist Class, on P&O, our white suger was the cubed variety hence the shakers were also used at breakfast.

With the silver plated oval shaped sugar bowls you had a set of tongs.

Neil ( Bob )


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Colin
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posted 11-29-2006 06:31 AM      Profile for Colin   Email Colin   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Globaliser:
I wonder how long it is since they have been in general use?

We had sugar shakers on the table on our recent Braemar (Fred Olsen) cruise.

Regards, Colin.


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posted 11-30-2006 12:04 AM      Profile for Green     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Colin: We had sugar shakers on the table on our recent Braemar (Fred Olsen) cruise. Regards, Colin.

It's an 'icing sugar dispenser' - icing sugar is actually so fine that it's a powder.

They were used to add, for effect, a 'dusting of white' (and minimal extra sweetness) to any dessert - I have 2 of them from my grandmother -..... sealed in saran/plastic wrap to prevent tarnish.


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posted 11-30-2006 05:29 AM      Profile for Peter_LT   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Jekyll:
While I am not disputing it is a sugar shaker - I am wondering why it would be on a tbale at a time when they were serving wine at a meal.

Maybe it's a an "era" thing or a "North American" thing - but nowadays we see sugar coming after the meal with the tea or coffee...can anyone enlighten me?


When I worked on the Caronia, these sugar-shakers were a standard part of the table lay-up. As a commis-waiter it would be a source of income from the waiters to ensure that they were always topped-up - with caster-sugar.

With the Caronia having been built so soon after WWII, quite a lot of the silverware would not have been supplied new for the ship. Back in those days when a Cunard ship was withdrawn from service, all the silverware would go into stores ashore ready for re-distribution amongst the fleet.

With the RMS Aquitania having been withdrawn from service in 1949 it's quite possible that some of her silverware would have made its way aboard the RMS Caronia.

Of course, at the time of Caronia's withdrawal, there was no further need to place silverware, or indeed furniture, into store, so all these items were sold with the ship to her new owners.

Regards,
Steve (Peter S.)
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posted 11-30-2006 10:33 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry, but I think the modern version is so much more attractive:

See Here

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posted 11-30-2006 12:24 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Peter_LT:

When I worked on the Caronia, these sugar-shakers were a standard part of the table lay-up.


What years were you onboard Caronia?

Joe at TravelPage.com


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quote:
What years were you aboard Caronia?

I joined her as a commis on the 1964 North Cape Cruise in late June and left 2 years later, after arriving in Southampton at the height of the 1966 seamen's strike. See my "About" page

BTW - if memory serves, there were two types of sugar shaker...
1) one where the top was an interference fit - and hellish to refill without spilling the contents.

2) the other had a screw top, that hellish to undo if the previous person refilling it hadn't wiped the screw threads clean (body + top) before re-assembly.

Regards,
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