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quote:Originally posted by Ernst:I would agree with you Mike - but I can not accept more and more ships ending up behind this age limit. Also, that Saga seems to know how to do proper refits does not make it better.
If a ship or an airplane is very well maintained, why can't they sail (or fly) for 40 or 50 years? When commercial aircraft get to a certain point in their flight hours, they are literally taken apart, xrayed, re-engined, have new interiors and electrical installed etc. and are put back into service. It really should be based on the actual condition of the ship and not the age. As an example, ss Monterey could have continued sailing for several more years had she not had engine problems (and one screw). I would rather see her cruising than the incredibly ugly newbuilds MSC are coming out with.
quote:Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:If a ship or an airplane is very well maintained, why can't they sail (or fly) for 40 or 50 years?
For the time being, anyway.
quote:Originally posted by Globaliser:I wonder whether Ernst meant the age one must reach before one is permitted to sail on a Saga ship? That's certainly the barrier to my sailing on them.For the time being, anyway.
I guess I was confused because refit was also metioned. Carry on Ernst.
As you touched the topic: Yes, one must not come to conclusions based on the age only. But there is strictly speaking no way to predict when e.g. a plate of steel will fail - this is very empirical and one can only give a probability. (also for a new plate) Often one only knows that after so and so many cycles or such a long time it is safer to replace a part as otherwise the chance that it fails increases beyond acceptable limits.The above mentioned methods are indicators only - e.g. if one finds a cavities, cracks or if too much material has been corroded or erroded away one can measure or detect that (and come to conclusions) - but there is not parameter one can measure which predicts when the material will fail - or not fail.
quote:Originally posted by Ernst:I meant the age limit of Saga - they have some 'nice' ships - and I can not go with them.
Well when we get mature enough, they may be sailing such 'classics' as ms Holiday or another classic boxboat.
Don't worry Ernst you will get old age for free! Hopefully your plates will not fail too soon?
Nevertheless, we can repeatedly point out that Saga could e.g. make an exception once a year - which I think would also be appreciated by their clientel for e.g. family reunions. Maybe someone from Saga reads it. - and if so - I prefere the Saga Rose - maybe you give her also a refit before you allow us aboard.
As we talk about Saga - wouldn't the Mona Lisa be the more consistent, logical additon to thier fleet? (I should not say that - this would be really, really bad for us )
And actually Swan Hellenic could not buy the Marco Polo.
How much work/cost would be needed to bring her up to 2010 complaince?
Pam
quote:Originally posted by Ernst:Nevertheless, we can repeatedly point out that Saga could e.g. make an exception once a year
- NCL is not actively doing anything to sell Orient Lines.- NCL will not sell the ship "Marco Polo" - only the company&brand Orient Lines as a whole, and only should a qualified buyer contact us.- this implies that, should a buyer come along the existing bookings & itineraries will not be touched.
Right now the itinerary planning for the 2008 summer season is being done and planning for the production of a 2007/2008 brochure are already underway.
Willem
She would interesting for Louis Lines or Arcalia.
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