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These pics were taken just a few years ago, in the off-limit storage areas of the Queen Mary. I was part of a special tour group, visiting areas virtually untouched since the early 70's. If I remember right, this was forward of the Main Restaurant, behind the constructed plywood partition, with the double doors, on the port side. The pic with the drawers and table looks like it might have been a crews mess, but I'm guessing here. Most of the items were in bad shape, warped with moisture and mildew, but isn't it sad to see those vintage area rugs, just rolled up and stacked in heaps? They would bring tens of thousands if placed up for auction. An employee told me that they couldn't be sold, but weren't being displayed for fear of wear and tear, or vandalism. Such a shame. I wonder if they're still there. Phil
Jonathan
[ 01-17-2007: Message edited by: Jonathan ]
Greetings Ben.
[ 01-18-2007: Message edited by: Maasdam ]
Those in the picture are probably not genuine and were probably purchased in latter years.
[ 01-18-2007: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]
quote:Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:The QM certainly did not have any fitted carpet originally and rugs can be a slip/trip hazzard at sea. Those in the picture are probably not genuine and were probably purchased in latter years.[ 01-18-2007: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]
They may not date to the original area rugs of 1936, but I'd lay money on them being "genuine." They were used in public areas and Cabin Class staterooms, as shown in the above early pics. From 1967 on, I would imagine that the City of Long Beach had more urgent concerns than the purchasing of new rugs.
quote:Originally posted by Grant:I certainly hope their fire fighting systems are adequate, as that mess looks ripe for spontaneous fires.
I am sure it is as she is of course operated as a hotel. The regulations for hotels are very strict w/spot checks by the fire department. I am sure the Long Beach fire department don't want to fight a fire w/all that wood onboard. I wonder why the operators don't have a parking lot sale to sell off all that old furniture. There are plenty of ship fans and dealers that would purchase it if offered at a fair price.
quote:Originally posted by LeBarryboat: I have not been in the forward cargo hold area in the bow...that would have been fun to see.
I did the "Peter James Ghost Tour" once, and we did visit the forward cargo hold areas, the forepeak, and the entrance to the crow's nest. It was possible to open the hatch at the base of the ladder, and look up, but you are right...very questionable as to the use of the crew ladder. Peter James no longer does the tours..hopefully due to an overdose of my bad vibes. Really, this man was a charlatan of the first order. At no time during the tour, although I'll give him an "A" for effort, did he conjure up spirits on command for us. Not that I expected him to. But get this...we were in the hollowed-out convention center (the former engine room) when he majestically announced to the group fawning around him..."now this area of the ship was used as a hospital during WWII." Wow..the ill and injured aboard the QM dragged down companionways into the steam inferno of the engine room? Must have been quite a nuisance for the boiler crew to stumble around all those gurneys and iv tubes. His madness didn't stop there. He tried to conjure up captains by name who never commanded the QM, spoke of her last captain, John Treasure-Jones, of having been poisoned on board, (probably news to his family, and the rest of the semi-lucid world) and who's spirit, he said, lies trapped in the forward cargo hold. I was overjoyed at the chance of this one-of-kind tour of special rarely scene areas of the QM, even if it meant having to put up such hokey nonsense from a "give me your $100 and keep your mouth shut" buffoon. Keep my mouth shut I did. And thank you, Peter James, for retiring from the scene in such a hasty manner. Sorry if I got off thread, but I still cringe to think the travesties this great ship has endured during her time in Long Beach. Phil
quote:Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:I am sure it is as she is of course operated as a hotel. The regulations for hotels are very strict w/spot checks by the fire department. I am sure the Long Beach fire department don't want to fight a fire w/all that wood onboard. I wonder why the operators don't have a parking lot sale to sell off all that old furniture. There are plenty of ship fans and dealers that would purchase it if offered at a fair price.
This is excectly what the owners of the Rotterdam 5 going to do. Sale of chairs etc that they don't need a/b. But believe me those items are the ones brought a/b in the 40 year of service. And not the ones that where original placed a/b whene new build.
quote:Originally posted by Phil in LA:I did the "Peter James Ghost Tour" once, and we did visit the forward cargo hold areas, the forepeak, and the entrance to the crow's nest. It was possible to open the hatch at the base of the ladder, and look up, but you are right...very questionable as to the use of the crew ladder.
How long ago was this tour you did? Was it before they put in the Curacao simulated crash with water flooding etc.? There are two forward cargo holds. One was recently taken up for the use of the Ghost & legends tour with an elevator down to the bowels of the ship. Then there is another smaller cargo hold even further forward which has been sealed and locked up since she arrived into Long Beach. I use to take people to the forward cargo hold (the one that is now occupied by this tour) and we use to swing from the rope hanging in there.
Here's a graphic that shows the configuration of the No2 cargo hold and No1 cargo hold.
[ 01-19-2007: Message edited by: LeBarryboat ]
quote:Originally posted by Maasdam:This is excectly what the owners of the Rotterdam 5 going to do. Sale of chairs etc that they don't need a/b. But believe me those items are the ones brought a/b in the 40 year of service. And not the ones that where original placed a/b whene new build.Greetings Ben.
I am still confused about the furniture issue w/Rotterdam V. Are they planning on selling off all or some of the furniture from the public rooms? Much of it is either original or good copies and some such as the chairs from the Ambassador Room would have to be custom made as they could not be purchased from a catalog. Since Mid-Century style is so popular today it would be quite easy to replace much of her upholstered pieces w/good reproductions. Now if they are going to use her larger public rooms for conference space, they may not have room for all that furniture and will use stackable chairs w/are unattractive but practical.
quote:Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:I am still confused about the furniture issue w/Rotterdam V. Are they planning on selling off all or some of the furniture from the public rooms? Much of it is either original or good copies and some such as the chairs from the Ambassador Room would have to be custom made as they could not be purchased from a catalog. Since Mid-Century style is so popular today it would be quite easy to replace much of her upholstered pieces w/good reproductions. Now if they are going to use her larger public rooms for conference space, they may not have room for all that furniture and will use stackable chairs w/are unattractive but practical.
Some of the furniture. As i said i believe that some younger furniture would be sold off. Those items that came a/b later in here career. Don't worry the Rotterdam would hold most of here original furniture a/b.On this moment al furniture that stays a/b are cleaned and repaired whene needed. Greetings ben.
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