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Jekyll
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posted 05-02-2007 11:23 AM      Profile for Jekyll   Email Jekyll   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How did most of the passengers get to Southampton, where Titanic was docked?

I am thinking train...but given the majority of passengers were at the lower end of the totem pole - that seems unlikely.

Anyone able to advise? Thanks!


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 05-02-2007 11:38 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes I assume train. Maybe rail fares were cheaper than now pro-rata? They certainly had different classes/fare for train travel.

The South Western Hotel, where many of the first class passengers stayed pre-crossing had its own station at the back. The hotel is probably only a mile or so from the dock (5 mins by train). Amongst the guests staying at the hotel before Titanic departed were Bruce Ismay, Chairman of the White Star Line and the Chief Designer, Thomas Andrews.

(The Hotel/Station got bombed during the war, see See Here).

Many first class passengers would have taken the train from the Hotel on the day of the departure. The Grapes Pub (a fav with the crew) was near the Hotel too. So maybe they also took the train after a few drinks pre departure? There is a story about a few crew members who got drunk, missed the train and the ship.

The Pub and Hotel (no longer a Hotel) are still there at Southampton. The Hotel's car park still has traces of the station about it. The rails still run via the Hotel, across the road, to the dock. I believe the boat-train occasionally still ran until a few years ago.

The story goes that ‘Paddington Bear’ came from darkest Africa by Boat to Southampton and took the Boat Train to London Paddington, hence his name. However the Boat Train has never gone to Paddington, it's always been Waterloo.

Dover Marie (now Dover Cruise Terminal) Tilbury (now the London cruise terminal) and Harwich (formerly Parkston Key) all had trains which ran right up to the ship. Only Harwich still does.

Also see This Here.

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Linerrich
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posted 05-02-2007 12:07 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In those days nearly everyone in every class arrived at their ship by train, not only in Southampton, but also Liverpool, Le Havre, Bremerhaven, etc. Remember, there were accommodations in Third Class railway carriages, as well.

For the TITANIC's departure, most 3rd Class arrived early that morning. Second Class arrived either the day before (necesitating an overnight hotel in So'ton) or that morning. The First Class Boat train was last to arrive, fashionably late, so that those pax. would not have had to depart London too early, and could board directly before sailing time.

Rich


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Colin
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posted 05-07-2007 12:56 PM      Profile for Colin   Email Colin   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
The story goes that ‘Paddington Bear’ came from darkest Africa by Boat to Southampton and took the Boat Train to London Paddington, hence his name.

I'm amazed at the inacuracies on this site. I thought everyone knew that Paddington came from "Darkest Peru". It's a standard trivia question.

However, on further investigation it appears that you're closer to the truth than I thought.

quote:
Originally posted by Wikepedia
[QUOTE]In reality, Michael Bond initially decided that he wished for his character, Paddington, to come from Darkest Africa. However, after handing in his first draft to his editor he was informed that there are no bears in Darkest Africa, so he adjusted Paddington's background to that of being born in Peru.

Regards, Colin.


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 05-07-2007 04:46 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
However, after handing in his first draft to his editor he was informed that there are no bears in Darkest Africa, so he adjusted Paddington's background to that of being born in Peru.

Maybe in another life I was the 'editor'.


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Tom Burke
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posted 05-07-2007 05:56 PM      Profile for Tom Burke   Author's Homepage   Email Tom Burke   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
At the relevant point in time (1910? 1912?) most railway companies still had three classes of carriage - 1st, 2nd 3rd. The last of these was very bare but also very cheap.

I believe it was after WW1 that the number of classes started to be cut to 2.


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 05-07-2007 06:00 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Titanic 'steerage' fare was not cheap. The passengers seeking a new life in the new world would have had to save every penny for a long time.

The rail fare was probably not a big issue.


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