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Thad
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posted 11-20-2007 11:14 PM      Profile for Thad   Email Thad   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What cruise ship built in the 1980's do you all think was / is the most attractive. For me it comes down to two ships. One is the Sovereign of the Seas, with her lovely hull and stern. I like her super structure as well, though I think she is let down by her paint job, with the aqua stripes and the funnel. While some might like the Crown Lounge, I always thought that the SofA's as well as the Sovereign class's had a somewhat menacing look to it. So it comes down to my other favorite, which is maybe surprisingly the Homeric of Home Lines as built. I feel her balanced looks were spoiled by HAL's rebuilding, she now looks somewhat ungainly, and the revisions to the bridgefront of the superstructure also hurt her looks. But to me, as built, in Home Line's classic livery, she was the nicest looking 80's cruiser, balanced, not too built up, nice somewhat low promenade deck, smooth full hull form, nicely sized and shaped funnel, which was somewhat interesting too. Her balanced form recalled the Sea and Island Venture of the 70's for me....

Here are two photos of her from Ted Scull


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dmwnc1
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posted 11-21-2007 12:13 AM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Song of America and Royal Princess would get my tie vote....

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lasuvidaboy
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posted 11-21-2007 01:07 AM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree about Sovereign of the Seas. She and her sisters are beautiful and those Normandie-inspired sterns are so elegant. We won't see curves like those again.

I also really like tss Fairsky (Sky Wonder) very much. She is a good combination of classic and modern w/very good proportions IMO. Having cruised on Sitmar's Fairsea/Fairwind many times in the 1970s and 80s w/my family there was much excitement to sail on this 'giant' new 46,000 tonner when she arrived in 1984.


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Maasdam
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posted 11-21-2007 04:14 AM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fore me the Europa of 1981. And the Nieuw Amsterdam/Noordam of 1983/84.
The Europa fore here yacht like looks and the N ships fore there combined techical advanced and classic looks.


Pictures frome here.

Greetings Ben.


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Robertdam
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posted 11-21-2007 05:48 AM      Profile for Robertdam   Author's Homepage   Email Robertdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I really like Royal Princess, because she is one of the first true megaships but still has some classic looks in my opinion.


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Johan
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posted 11-21-2007 06:56 AM      Profile for Johan   Email Johan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'd also vote for "Royal Princess"
and "Nieuw Amsterdam"/"Noordam" or "Sovereign of the Seas".

To be sure, I know these only from pictures, and sadly not from own experience, so my view is purely an estetical one of the exterior.

THe "N" ships have a no-nonsense, sturdy "industrial" look, SotS is a modern megaship with reference to the past, and RP is a child of her time.

The Eighties are really a transition period, with some interesting ships - are they becoming classics ?

J


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NAL
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posted 11-21-2007 08:27 AM      Profile for NAL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My votes are for Europa '81 and Sovereign and her two sisters. I always hated that livery on Homeric. If only the funnel and not the other parts were painted gold.
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dougnewman
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posted 11-21-2007 01:49 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For me it's SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, hands-down. The fact that she is leaving the RCI fleet really marks the end of an era for me: the signature ship of the generation I grew up with is now officially "old"!

Second place goes to EUROPA. Of course she has never been the same inside or out since Star Cruises bought her. I hope her style and elegance is revived to some extent when she becomes BLEU DE FRANCE.

Third place goes to my dear FAIRSKY. In this case Princess was the culprit in ruining her interiors, but at least she still looks good outside.

HOMERIC was not a bad-looking ship but I've always felt her bow was too small. I'm also not terribly fond of her funnel when seen from aft, or the aft pool deck that overhangs the hull.

Nevertheless, I have always felt her an interesting ship (and reasonably attractive outside), when she was WESTERDAM, always wanted to try her. She looks nice now as COSTA EUROPA, too - I would certainly not mind a cruise in her, and she goes to more interesting places now than she did with HAL!

It's also interesting to note that she's on her third operator but it's still a major "first tier" cruise line (in fact an even bigger one than operators one and two).


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oslo dutch
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posted 11-21-2007 03:07 PM      Profile for oslo dutch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Definitely Royal Princess. Design wise such a revolutionary vessel. I have worked on her in 1988/1989 and at time she was one of the most advanced around.

Especially when we did Europe in 1989 for the first time she was a big attraction in every port.

Reint


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NAL
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posted 11-21-2007 07:41 PM      Profile for NAL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have to agree with you, Dougnewman, about Homeric. I don't like the ends....bow and stern for the reasons you mentioned.
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Magic Pipe
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posted 11-21-2007 08:41 PM      Profile for Magic Pipe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've always found the Atlantic (MSC Melody) an appealing ship. I believe she was one of the last passenger ships to be built with an enclosed crow's nest on her mast, which was unusual by the 1980's
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NAL
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posted 11-22-2007 07:55 AM      Profile for NAL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry, I never liked Atlantic....bow too lowm and the slab-sided look with the lifeboats at the very top. She did have nice cabins though....and some designated singles.
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Pascal
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posted 11-22-2007 12:05 PM      Profile for Pascal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Magic Pipe:
I've always found the Atlantic (MSC Melody) an appealing ship. I believe she was one of the last passenger ships to be built with an enclosed crow's nest on her mast, which was unusual by the 1980's

Sorry to disagree with you but she's one of the few ship I really hate the appearance...
That said, I don't really know which ship I'll choose as my favorite 80's one... There are a few vessels I "like" (Europa, Song of America, SOTS...) but none I really love.

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Tim Agg
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posted 11-22-2007 11:51 PM      Profile for Tim Agg     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I had the pleasure of sailing three times on HAL's Westerdam. He interiors were like a classy club - nothing overdone, and comfortable. On board, her vast aft deck was wonderful, but I missd tghe lack of a Crow's Nest lounge. From some angles, she looked a bit ungainly, but on my office wall is a very handsome photo I took of her almost bow-on, with Alaska mountains behind. Almost liner-ish!
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NAL
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posted 11-23-2007 08:39 AM      Profile for NAL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Tim....and her cabins were nice too. She also had a few designated singles....fewer with HAL than with Home Lines I think. The position of the dining room was odd for the 80's though. She had an oddly placed theater as well, but a nice one and quite comfortable.
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sympatico
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posted 11-23-2007 02:38 PM      Profile for sympatico     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tim Agg:
I had the pleasure of sailing three times on HAL's Westerdam. He interiors were like a classy club - nothing overdone, and comfortable. On board, her vast aft deck was wonderful, but I missd tghe lack of a Crow's Nest lounge. From some angles, she looked a bit ungainly, but on my office wall is a very handsome photo I took of her almost bow-on, with Alaska mountains behind. Almost liner-ish!

We sailed on Westerdam about 6 times - 2 before stretch and the rest after. I loved that ship and the vast aft deck also. Actually I thought she looked better after stretch than before but that's my opinion.

Tim - check your private messages. Sent you one the other day.

Diane


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dougnewman
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posted 11-23-2007 08:34 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree with Diane that WESTERDAM looked better post-stretch. Let's not forget that she was originally designed as a longer ship, so it makes sense she would look better afterward. IMHO, pre-stretch she was a bit "stubby", though the blue band on her hull (and later the dark HAL hull) saved her. Otherwise I think she would have looked awful!

On the other hand, it is a pity that during the stretch the forward-facing lounge was replaced by a balcony for the show lounge.

She definitely has her unusual features - the dining room location was not that unusual for a 1980s ship (see TROPICALE) but the cinema was definitely in an odd spot (now replaced by balcony suites). And since the stretch she has had the distinction of possessing two entirely separate Lido Restaurants, one by each pool - not very space efficient but certainly convenient!

One thing I have never understood is why on the port side, on the highest of the three decks of cabins with windows, there is one less large window than on the two below it. (See here.) This is not the case on the other side. (Of course, the larger windows indicate the new section of the ship.)

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Tim Agg
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posted 11-23-2007 08:57 PM      Profile for Tim Agg     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Diane - did you get my reply? I wasn't certain that it went through (technology is not my strong suit!)
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sympatico
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posted 11-24-2007 07:42 AM      Profile for sympatico     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tim Agg:
Diane - did you get my reply? I wasn't certain that it went through (technology is not my strong suit!)

Tim - no I didn't. I have sent you another PM.


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eroller
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posted 11-24-2007 08:27 AM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For me, absolutely SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS. Not only was she a groundbreaking ship, but her exterior lines were quite beautiful as well. To this day I think Royal Caribbean puts more into the aesthetics of their ships compared to other lines.

It's taken a long time, but I will finally sail on SOS class ship on December 14. It's a short 3-day cruise but I'm looking forward to it.

I was never a fan of the interior layout of these ships. I'm so glad the "cabin forward" arrangement never took off, except perhaps in ferries and luxury vessels. I prefer having the lounges stretched from fore to aft on a single deck.

Ernie


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Ernst
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posted 11-24-2007 05:06 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My favourites which were built in the 1980ies are Club Med 1 and certainly construction number 1001 of Bremer Vulkan. As much as I love this outstanding vessel I have to admit that her overall nice exterior is not perfect. From some angles she just does not look too good. (e.g. her aft)

If we limit ourself to exterior appearance I would name Club Med 1, the
Sovereign of the Seas class and Silvia Regina - Finlandia in their original condition.


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rd77
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posted 11-27-2007 03:50 AM      Profile for rd77   Email rd77   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My list:

1. FAIRSKY (now SKY WONDER): "classic", almost linerlike appearance, and a steamship to boot! In fact, I used not to care much about this ship, recently I've take more and more of a liking to her, so much even that she has surpassed my next candidate:

2. SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS: I remember being SO impressed by this vessel as a small kid, and I still think she looks great.

3. NOORDAM/NIEUW AMSTERDAM: no-nonsense, form-follows-function looks, but still elegent. She has many design features which are similar to container ships of the 70s (funnel, radar mast, the "knuckle" in the bow). I believe the design was already drafted in the 70s (shortly after PRINSENDAM) and then "put on ice".

Brgds.


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Maasdam
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posted 11-27-2007 05:47 AM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by rd77:
My list:

3. NOORDAM/NIEUW AMSTERDAM: no-nonsense, form-follows-function looks, but still elegent. She has many design features which are similar to container ships of the 70s (funnel, radar mast, the "knuckle" in the bow). I believe the design was already drafted in the 70s (shortly after PRINSENDAM) and then "put on ice".

Brgds.


The N ships where based on the 9.000+ grt Prinsendam of 1973. The Prinsendam was the first of 4 sister ships who where designed to take a full passenger load of the Boeing 747 on cruising. But the oil crises the other 3 where never build. At the end of the 1970's cruising was up and HAL decided to build 1 big cruise liner instate of 3 smaller ones. They based this design on the Prinsendam and together with the Merwede shipyard the Netherlands they designed what to became the Nieuw Amsterdam of 1983. The order + option finally and with much thanks to the Dutch government was was placed at Chantiers de l'Atlantique, St Nazaire France. The burning of the Prinsendam and technical difficulty's with the Statendam and age of the fleet. HAL turned the option to a firm order which was to became the Noordam of 1984. They where hailed as in that time as two of the most advanced and beautiful decorated cruise liners build.

Greetings Ben.


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