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quote:Originally posted by VDK:So what exactly are they trying to achieve with having the ship connected to these two pilings. Why can it not be simply tied up alongside?
These mooring pilings allowing the Rotterdam to move with the in coming and out going tide. Therefore she's not alongside the dock but a view meters from it. All gangways and shore connections are made to move along with the ship.
The Rotterdam will be connecting to these mooring piles on Januari 30th according the Rotterdam foundation (news/newspage upper link bar and right next to the picture) ss.rotterdam.net.
Greetings Ben.
[ 01-25-2009: Message edited by: Maasdam ]
Look at this video (Dutch spoken).
See my website.
quote:Originally posted by VDK:Ok, but having the ship tied up along side without these connections would still acheive that result - allowing the ship to move up and down. So call me dumb I am not getting what the mooring post are really there for;-).
Have you ever been in London and visited HMS Belfast ? ? ?
[ 01-26-2009: Message edited by: VDK ]
quote:Originally posted by VDK:Yup, she she berth between two dolfins and anchored fwd and aft in the river with one gangway. The Royal Yacht however is tied up alongside with all sorts of gangways and no attachment to pilings. Sorry Ben just not seeing what I missing.[ 01-26-2009: Message edited by: VDK ]
No sorry to me I'm not the owner . It's the choice of the owner to have here berthed this way. But I see the advantage of berthing here this way. Winds have no influence on here, the mooring ropes are quite a weak point. These fixed moorings are in that the safest possible solution.
Far better to have a barge/pontoon or whatever if the tidal range is high.
Pam
quote:Originally posted by PamM:I suspect it is to do with the tidal range - "The tidal range on the river section of the tidal Thames varies between 5 metres and 7 metres" in Leith the "Tidal Range: 2 feet" - what is it where Rotterdam is berthed?Far better to have a barge/pontoon or whatever if the tidal range is high.Pam
Pam look here official government site.
Tidal predictions Rotterdam, ministry of traffic.
Greetings
quote:Originally posted by VDK:That would make sense to me Pam, esp with having lines to contend with. Thanks, sorry for not being quicker on this point. Perhaps its because in Canada we have virtually nothing moored as a museum piece..
Too bad no one in Canada could have establish a business model for the SS Empress of Canada to pitch to local area businesses, as well as the people who worked on the ship before it was sold to Carnival in the 1970's. It only takes one person to make this dream a reality, as it was being conducted for the MS Mona Lisa for Sweden.
Such ashame that so many suitable vessels are now gone to the scrapyard. Otherwise, the SS Empress of Canada or the SS Empress of Britain would have found a nice home for British Columbia, Canada.
[ 01-27-2009: Message edited by: Redlinekid2 ]
quote:Originally posted by Redlinekid2:[...]It only takes one person to make this dream a reality, as it was being conducted for the MS Mona Lisa for Sweden. [...]
14.00 : end of the work on board.20.00 : with help of a big crane, the ship will be moved towards the river.22.00 : the ship will be moved towards the mooring posts.After midnight, the equipment will be fixed on the pilings.
Three to four hundred people are working daily to finish the job. Delays were partially due to all regulations causing a lot more attention and work. Experience on these kind of projects is hardly to find anywhere in the world, but we are on course. We are investing more than 200 million euros and therefore we want high quality and safety.
According to mr. Petit, the political commotion around the highly raised investments, will have no influence. The s.s. Rotterdam will be an icon for The Netherlands.
On 30 January, the ship will be moored to the posts which were driven in the Maashaven.The following schedule will be followed.
08.00 pm: The ship will be moved thirty meters in the direction of the river Nieuwe Maas.10.00 pm: The ship will be moved towards the pilings, causing the ship will be twelve meters from the quay.Midnight: The triangles will be fixed on the tops of the pilings. After that, gangways between the entrancebuildings and the ship will be placed.
quote:Originally posted by VDK:Well I did what I could to bring the Empress of Canada home - or at least a part of her having bought a section of one of her interior stair railings .
Hi VDK,Any thoughts about convincing a group of Real Estate developers and hotel operators to look into the idea of having the Saga Rose as a hotel ship in British Columbia? The ship could follow the example of the SS Rotterdam. And the ship has a huge following. The ship might bring a lot of attention to the region because of its reputation. All the potential investors need to do is convince the Victorian City Council to grant them a suitable berth for the ship. So you might want to knock on a few of those doors until you find a willing person who might be interested in the idea before the end of the year, when the ship will end up a Alang, the ship graveyard.
What the Dutch have done with ROTTERDAM is truely remarkable but as we have all seen it has come with a significant cost and some pretty increadible dedication to the cause.
The Royal Yacht is an other example but sadly one that I think is less possitive when you see her condition and the changes that are being made to keep her open.
[ 01-28-2009: Message edited by: VDK ]
quote:Originally posted by VDK:Stuff like this just does not work in Canada... particularly west. The population is not as connected with the sea and its heritage. We had a really good candidiate and that was the PRINCESS MARGUERITE. That ship had a huge connection with the area and even that was not enough to save her from going to Alang and sadly without a single artifact remaining behind.What the Dutch have done with ROTTERDAM is truely remarkable but as we have all seen it has come with a significant cost and some pretty increadible dedication to the cause. The Royal Yacht is an other example but sadly one that I think is less possitive when you see her condition and the changes that are being made to keep her open.[ 01-28-2009: Message edited by: VDK ]
The SS Rotterdam is not the only ship around. Soon the QE2, MS Kungsholm, and the TS Hamburg will join her as well. There will be others as well. But the SS United States would certainly get the most coverage, if it joins the SS Rotterdam on the hotel ship list, as well as the MS Augustus and the Regal Empress.
Not saying that it will happen. But I am certainly tired of the Alang "Celebration Time, Come on".
quote:Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:Being the former Norwegian-America flagship, I'd think Norway would be the logical choice for the former Sagafjord. After seeing the sky-high costs invloved w/the Rotterdam restoration, I doubt there would be many willing investors.
I certainly hope that there is someone in Norway who is making plans for the ship's salvation. Otherwise, the vessel will join the SS Norway at Alang. But, as VDK has said, it will be a tough challenge just to get a berth from the city officials in Norway. But the ship's strong tires to the NAL should be a good persuation tactic.
quote:Originally posted by Redlinekid2:Soon the QE2, MS Kungsholm, and the TS Hamburg will join her as well.
Soon the QE2, MS Kungsholm, and the TS Hamburg will join her as well.
Sorry to disappoint you, but I just found following news:
quote:According to Landgangen, the METRO newspaper in Gothenburg hasreported today that the property developers owning land around thequays in gothenburg do not want to give a space for the ex-Kungsholm.
quote:"Maxim Gorkiy" was handed over to new owners, Advanced DistributionCompany Ltd. (Monrovia) on Monday. She is scheduled to depart forLimassol (where some fittings are to be removed) within the next coupleof days, and onwards to Alang after that.Major efforts are currently underway in Hamburg to make a last-minuteattempt to buy the vessel and bring it to Hamburg. The investorsreportedly have to money to buy her but the City of Hamburg officialshave been reluctant to agree to taking her to Hamburg because of theobvious reasons: A suitable quay would be needed and of course Germanmedia and environmentalists have suddenly discovered that an "topix andasbestos-laden ship" might be coming ther way.
Major efforts are currently underway in Hamburg to make a last-minuteattempt to buy the vessel and bring it to Hamburg. The investorsreportedly have to money to buy her but the City of Hamburg officialshave been reluctant to agree to taking her to Hamburg because of theobvious reasons: A suitable quay would be needed and of course Germanmedia and environmentalists have suddenly discovered that an "topix andasbestos-laden ship" might be coming ther way.
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