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PC
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posted 10-29-2010 01:27 AM      Profile for PC   Email PC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
On the QM 2, the D8 inside cabins are on deck 4, at the very front or rear of the line of cabins on that deck. So the cabins are just above the Royal Court Theatre or Queen's Room on deck 3. However there are many balcony cabins in the same area, also above those 2 public rooms.

Has anyone been in a D8 cabin, and are they much worse than other inside cabins, or would they be very noisy late at night?

I'm booked in a D8 cabin on a Caribbean cruise leaving NYC 03 Jan. I'm thinking to bring my decibel sound meter so that if the cabin is too noisy at night, I can quote the decibel reading to counter any arguments as to what constitutes being "noisy".


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Linerrich
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posted 10-29-2010 06:22 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I crossed once in a D8 on Deck 4, above the Royal Court Theatre--if you happened to be there during a major show, you could probably sense the music down below, but not enough to be disturbing. I would not say this location is noisy.

However, if you like to retire early, the locations above the Royal Court would be best, since the shows end early (before midnight.) The Queen's Lounge is likely to have dancing and music later at night, and if you're concerned enough to consider bringing your own decibel sound meter, you should not book a cabin there.

Rich


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PC
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posted 10-29-2010 07:02 AM      Profile for PC   Email PC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
rich, thanks for your comments. I guess noise from either the Royal Court or Queen's Room shouldn't be a problem, since I am into ballroom dancing and I will be dancing till the band stops playing in the QR. However, the nightclub is right by the QR, and if that goes on way past midnight, I imagine the noise would be noticeable. Well, can't be helped; I'm booked already.

If it gets really noisy, the decibel meter will aid in any argument I might have with the ship and maybe, they will move me if other rooms are available?


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Ernst
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posted 10-29-2010 07:46 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PC:
[...]
If it gets really noisy, the decibel meter will aid in any argument I might have [...]

What do you mean by 'decibelmeter'? I am not sure whether you are aware how complicated a proper assessment of the noise level in e.g. a cabin can be. My advice: Leave that 'decibelmeter' at home.


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PamM
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posted 10-29-2010 08:06 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I thought the forward cabins were over Illuminations. I would not worry about noise from there or the theatre.
G32 might be a different matter, but I have not heard any adverse comments. If it was generally a noisy location then it would be known to the crew and a comment to Reception would suffice. Taking one's own meter would seem more as if one was a passenger out to cause trouble and would probably hinder 'negotiations'.

If you are concerned don't book those cabins.

Pam... who can vouch for the noise in the outside fwd Deck 5 cabins - wonderful crashing, banging in stormy seas Many would hate that.


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Linerrich
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posted 10-29-2010 08:18 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
I thought the forward cabins were over Illuminations. I would not worry about noise from there or the theatre.

Pam, you're right, the few D8 forward cabins are over Illuminations. The cabin I took for that crossing was actually a D6, more mid-ships, over the Royal Court Theatre.

Rich


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PC
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posted 10-29-2010 08:50 AM      Profile for PC   Email PC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I got the decibel meter to aid in my discussions with an air conditioning company over whether their A/C's units turned on at night is too noisy for sleep. The standard for a very quiet A/C fan unit on low fan is Samsung units, at about 30 decibels. The meter is a very simple unit and merely captures the highest rating of noise in the room, and reads out the decibel.

In Hong Kong, the noise stipulates that after 11 pm, a noise level greater than 75 decibels entitles one to call the police to come and do something about the noise in residential buildings.

If it happens that the noise from an upstairs or downstairs public place far exceeds some reasonable standard, I will complain to the ship's purser, and with a decibel reading, one's complaint about noise will have some scientific support. And I think I am diplomatic enough to sense when and how I introduce a decibel reading into the discussion, if it ever came to that.

It may be a simple thing for some to say, book a different cabin, but I opted for a flash promotion price which stipulated a D8 cabin, plus I have to pay a 100% single supplement, and on top of that, also pay for an air ticket from Hong Kong to New York, and back. So my overall cost is like 5 times what the base cost is per person for double occupancy. Thus what may be a simple decision for others in the US to opt for a higher price room, say double the flash promotion price, turns out to be an additional US$1,500 to $2,000 for me.

I like Cunard ships because of the superior quality of ballroom dancing/instruction on their ships, which no other cruise industry line or ship can rival, even Crystal which is not bad for dancing. So it makes no sense for me to select another cruise line.

So to me, it makes sense for me to bring a decibel meter that I already have in my possession on this cruise. At worst I don't use it and it means an additional 6 ozs of weight to my luggage. At best, it may get me some sympathy or even a change in cabins, if any are available.


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 10-29-2010 09:21 AM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PC:

If it gets really noisy, the decibel meter will aid in any argument I might have with the ship and maybe, they will move me if other rooms are available?


Good luck with a move. Most lines seem to fill every available cabin.

We did a short cruise last year to Mexico on RCI's Radiance of the Seas. Our cabin was near the disco and the noise kept me up until it closed. My partner and friends in the next cabin did'nt hear a thing but they are deep asleep after being 'overserved' at the bar every night . As posted, cabins near the G32 disco may be the loudest.


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Ernst
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posted 10-29-2010 10:07 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PC:
I got the decibel meter to aid in my discussions with an air conditioning company over whether their A/C's units turned on at night is too noisy for sleep. The standard for a very quiet A/C fan unit on low fan is Samsung units, at about 30 decibels. The meter is a very simple unit and merely captures the highest rating of noise in the room, and reads out the decibel.

Your description indicates that you do not really seem to know what you are talking about. At which distant did you measure? What do you actually mean with dB? (as you might know, dB is a unit for ratios - 30 dB relative to what?) Which frequency weighting is your meter using? Is it actually calibrated?

Mind you, a random noise like e.g. the sound of the waves of the ocean might be less disturbing at higher intensities than music or people talking you might hear from a room next to your cabin at much, much lower intensity.

-> There is much more to that than simply measuring a sound pressure averaged over a range of frequencies (assuming that this is what your 'deciblemeter' does). With a simple measurement like you have in mind you won't achieve what you have in mind and it seems as if you neither have the equipment nor the knowledge to do what you call a 'scientific' measurement that would be meaningful in an argument you seem to look forward to.

Your perception is what is relevant here and your ears are the far better 'instrument' than your 'decibelmeter'. If you hear something annoying you can describe that to a crew member or you might have a crew member listen to that. This is far more effective and convincing than a phony, amateurish measurement with an instrument that give a number you do not really seem to understand.

Also, don't you think that it is a bit odd to book a cabin in a category where you consider taking a equipment with you since you anticipating trouble? Why don't you simply book another cabin and avoid the problem firstplace? Especially as it simply might not be possible to move you to another cabin (because the ship might be full) or because it might not be possible to reduce the noise (do you really think they won't have any shows in the theater or shut down a nightclub just for you?).

So do yourself and the crew of QM2 a favor, leave your 'decibelmeter' at home or even better book a cabin where you have more confidence to find a sound environment that will satisfy you.


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PC
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posted 10-29-2010 11:04 AM      Profile for PC   Email PC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ernst, what's it to you why or how I use or not use the meter? It matters not to me how clever or knowledgeable you are in sound mechanics or engineering. Any reading I get will be used by me in any way I wish, and all your words are just that -- noise. It's not you I'm presenting the reading to -- if it were you can ask all the questions or raise objections ad infinitum.

Maybe nothing will come of this -- maybe I'll get a cabin assignment where noise will not be a problem. All I'm doing here is asking a simple question as to whether anyone has stayed in a D8 cabin before, and in the event that the worst cabin is assigned, what I might do if the noise became unbearable. How difficult is that to understand?

You gave your advice. Fine, and I intend to ignore it. Maybe that will get your ire up even more.


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posted 10-29-2010 11:14 AM      Profile for greybeard     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PC:
I think I am diplomatic enough to sense when and how I introduce a decibel reading into the discussion, if it ever came to that.


Doesn't sound like that to me. Wonder whether Ernst would agree?


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PC
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posted 10-29-2010 11:38 AM      Profile for PC   Email PC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Greybeard, on an anonymous forum, anyone can say anything they want, and it should matter zilch to anyone what another poster writes.

I'll be in New York from 01 - 03 Jan awaiting boarding the QM 2 on 03 Jan. If anyone here happens to be in NY at the same time and wishes to meet up for a chat and drink, I'll be glad to meet up. I'll be staying at the NY Hilton.


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posted 10-29-2010 11:51 AM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I enjoyed a QM2 crossing in April. My cabin was 4190, which is a D7 or D8 I believe. It's aft and I suppose over the Queen's Room. I could hear the big band music on occasion (like when I was getting ready for dinner), but it was fairly faint and not an issue.

Much more of an issue was the cabin next door. 4190 was a connecting room, and I could literally hear the conversation in the cabin next to me and their TV (they were an older couple that talked very loudly). For this reason, I recommend avoiding any connecting cabins. I always try to do this but this cabin assignment was out of my hands.

Ernie


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PC
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posted 10-29-2010 12:03 PM      Profile for PC   Email PC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
One last comment about taking sound measurements inside the cabin. The cabin is all of 156 sq ft in area (perhaps 10 ft by 15 ft) and maybe 9 ft high. So even if one takes the measurement from the far corners of the room and from the center point of the cube, how big a variation or distortion can occur due to position? I mean, it's not like I'm taking measurements from the top vs bottom of the Empire State Building. And then timing would be a factor, if noise is coming from the nightclub, would it be during a slow song or a loud hip hop song, and what about the neighbours? Might they be an amorous couple? So I will have to take a lot of measurements, each well documented. And as for low and high frequency, the meter has a decibel A and a decibel C reading, where C is for low frequency readings.

And when I've done several thousand readings, guess what? I can do a full statistical analysis on the numbers -- range, mean, median, variance, standard deviation, and maybe see if I still remember how to do regression analysis to see if there are any or spurious correlation between the readings and other factors, like days of the week, time of evening, which band is playing, number of guests in the club, etc.

Or maybe I'll just save all the readings and see if Ernst would be interested to show us how talented he is by analyzing the readings and coming to some conclusions.


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Ernst
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posted 10-29-2010 12:08 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PC:
Ernst, what's it to you why or how I use or not use the meter? [...]
You gave your advice. Fine, and I intend to ignore it. Maybe that will get your ire up even more.

Look, all I am saying is that you very likely will embarrass yourself A LOT presenting such a measurement to the crew. They are hopefully professional enough not to let you know what they are thinking but I can assure you, presenting them such a 'measurement' will not only be ineffective but you will declare yourself as troublemaker to them - and that's usually not very helpful in such a situation.

QM2 has been in service for quite a while, she has been accepted by Cunard form the yard that built her and thus she very, very likely not only complies with regulations but also with the requirements of Cunard (which of course does not mean that your cabin is 'perfectly quiet') and you think you can 'build a case' with an unprofessional measurement?

We won't know here whether you are finally going to do that or not and frankly I don't care whether you consider well meant advice or not - as you pointed out in your posting, it's finally your choice. However, you should not complain about people replying to your posting since you actually started the thread with this rather strange proposition.

quote:
Originally posted by greybeard:

Doesn't sound like that to me. Wonder whether Ernst would agree?


I agree, bringing equipment aboard to be prepared for an argument is hardly what I would call diplomatic.


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posted 10-29-2010 05:40 PM      Profile for linerguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is one of the funniest things I've ever read on these boards.

I have a feeling that no matter what size dinner table you're assigned, after a few days it will be a table of one.

When you travel solo, you really travel solo!

-Russ


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posted 10-29-2010 06:07 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As a former urban dweller I was able to mask sound with a white noise machine. Use 2 at opposite ends of the room.

A poor man's version is to take a table fan, put a pillow case on the cage. It makes a low frequency hum and masks the most annoying frequencies.

My brother who has keen hearing never travels without one.

I agree with Ernst, leave the decibel meter at home.


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PC
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posted 10-29-2010 10:24 PM      Profile for PC   Email PC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's become a non-issue. I've been assigned cabin no. 50xx, a D6 room. So that settles that. Thanks to those who came back with actual experience of having cruised in a similar type room.
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