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steeplechase
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posted 04-12-2012 01:19 PM      Profile for steeplechase   Author's Homepage   Email steeplechase   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Okay all of you ship brains out there. Let's say the Titanic had not hit that iceberg, what would the Titanic story looked like then? What do you think Titanic's life span could have looked like? Sank in World War Two? Probaly not , scrapped after a long career? Or could she be in Long Beach instead of the Queen Mary? Maybe just another ship forgotten?
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timb
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posted 04-12-2012 01:51 PM      Profile for timb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I suspect like her sister scrapped and a few bits in hotels around Europe. At the end of her life I don't think the Olympic was considered anything special even with her long career. I could be wrong though even though I am a liner enthusiast I not a rivet counter
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Frosty 4
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posted 04-12-2012 02:33 PM      Profile for Frosty 4   Email Frosty 4   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
THey said if the ship hit the berg head on she would not have sunk.
There is suppose to be a program on the History Channel tomorrow about Titanic.

Frosty 4


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Thad
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posted 04-12-2012 03:56 PM      Profile for Thad   Email Thad   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It is an interesting question, and not just for the ship's life. I think Titanic would have served nobly along side her sisters in WW1. Britannic likely enters service before WW1 as no need for all the costly time consuming changes made after Titanic's loss. She might have been named Gigantic as originally planned. Had all three survived, I think they would have dominated the trade somewhat in the early 20's. If one was lost, the other two with the Majestic would have been just as profitable. I think the line would have likely not had the financial issues in the late 20's. WSL would have retired their big trio, and replaced them with two larger ships, of the new Oceanic class. Had there still been a merger with Cunard in the 30's, who knows which firm would have had the upper hand...
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desirod7
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posted 04-12-2012 05:35 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Titanic was an accident waiting to happen. If not that fateful April night, it would have hit an iceberg probably a year later. There is no guarantee Titanic would not have met the Lusitania fate of being torpedoed in WW1
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timb
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posted 04-12-2012 06:26 PM      Profile for timb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
David how do you come to that conclusion. She was on the same route used by all ships at that time. There was nothing that made her more or less prone to hitting a berg than any other
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lasuvidaboy
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posted 04-12-2012 08:08 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Chances are Titanic (and Gigantic/Britannic) would have had similar careers as Olympic which of course ended w/retirment and scrapping after the merger between White Star and Cunard.

With all the news about Titanic over the last few weeks, most never mention Olympic. It's as if that equally beautiful and very successful ship never even existed. Articles say things like: 'Titanic was the most luxurious liner in the World and had the first swimming pool onboard'-what about her twin sister?

I'd say that had Titanic had an uneventful career, only ship enthusiasts would have ever heard of her or her sisters. Also, had the 1997 film not been made, the anniversary of the sinking would have mostly gone unnoticed.

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desirod7
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posted 04-12-2012 09:45 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It was the Titanic sinking that gave us

enough lifeboats for all onboard
ice patrol
24 hour radio service
lifeboat and emergency drills
a more southerly route.

Although the Costa Concordia was the sunken ship flavor of last month, the fact that only 32 out of 4000 were lost is a testament to that an incompetent captain still did not have a greater loss of life. Lessons learned from Titanic a century later.

Lasuvidaboyis right. Sinking made her a legend. The German Imperator upstaged her 2 years later in size and luxury. Only ship nuts know about her.


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joe at travelpage
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posted 04-12-2012 10:09 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As with many historical events I find it interesting to consider how history might have been different if the people who died on Titanic had reached NY safely?

My son had a PC game about Titanic over ten years ago and one of the outcomes was that a young painter from Germany had shipped a number of his paintings to NY for a gallery exhibit. The game suggested that Adolf Hitler was the painter and that if the gallery show had been a success he might have taken another path.

While that is obviuosly an extreme example, there were many influential people on board (JJ Astor, the Strauses, Guggenheim, etc). How would our live be different if they had survived?

What if Thomas Andrews had survived, maybe his son would have become the chief deisgner for Carnival and the designs of Joe Farcus might never have happened....


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dmwnc1
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posted 04-13-2012 01:01 AM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"More than 720 of Titanic's 900-strong crew were from Southampton and all but three were men. Only 124 returned to the city."

Southampton's lost Titanic generation
HERE

This is a tragic often forgotten statistic of the disaster. How would Southampton be different now had Titanic returned home then?

Titanic herself had she lived a long uneventful career would be as well known as Aquitania to the unwashed masses who rely on Hollywood to educate them on world history.

And would the 'Olympic' even be famous now if she were not the sister to the ill fated Titanic? Would there be an Olympic Restaurant on Celebrity Millennium? Or would scattered pieces of Olympic only be in the hands of die hard liner collectors?

Titanic would only be a small footnote in history.

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PamM
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posted 04-13-2012 05:52 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by dmwnc1:
"More than 720 of Titanic's 900-strong crew were from Southampton and all but three were men. Only 124 returned to the city."

A list of the names and addresses of all the crew members, victims and survivors, who had a Southampton address is
here and there is an interactive map showing how close they all lived to each other and the docks.

Pam


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dmwnc1
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posted 04-13-2012 08:36 AM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
THANKS Pam for those links. What is truly amazing on that list are the shear numbers of very young men lost on Titanic that were from Southampton, hence the 'lost generation'. It really puts it into perspective the tragedy suffered by the town, as does the map pinpointing entire city blocks impacted by the loss.
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lasuvidaboy
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posted 04-13-2012 10:57 AM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As posted, Imperator, Vaterland and Bismark/Majestic were larger than the White Star trio and FAR more luxurious. As an example, Olympic and Titanic's swimming bath looked small and institutional compared to the German trio's gorgeous indoor pools. The lofty interiors of Ballin's ships were in a completely different league. Have people other than liner enthusiasts even heard of these maginificent pre-WW1 ships? The answer of course is no. One of the best things to come out of James Cameron's film is an interest in a period of history and then typical mode of transportation that most people never knew about.

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SSTRAVELER
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posted 04-13-2012 11:18 AM      Profile for SSTRAVELER     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Don't forget the Aquitania either. Cunard was in the race with big ships as well.

Had the Titanic survived the War what would have happened to the German trio. The Allies were still determined to strip the Germans of their ships. But would they have ended up with White Star or Cunard or ?

I don't know if having the intact trio or even two of them would have made White Star any more successful financially and headed off the collapse and merger with Cunard. But if it did, think about the Atlantic in the 1930s and beyond.

Cunard maybe still found a way in the end to complete the Queen Mary.

Maybe White Star got the new Oceanic built.

By the 1950s Cunard and White Star would have both begun to struggle and which one would have survived? Or would they have both died in the end?

There would be no Queen Mary 2, Queen Victoria or Queen Elizabeth and maybe not even a QE2.

Maybe CGT would have become the last survivor on the Atlantic when both Cunard and White Star collapsed from the competition. Then could you hear the French when Carnival tried to buy them out, "Whose zis Mockey Hairyson and he wants OUR ship! Chic alors!!"


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Rotterdam 1959
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posted 04-15-2012 10:38 AM      Profile for Rotterdam 1959   Email Rotterdam 1959   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
Chances are Titanic (and Gigantic/Britannic) would have had similar careers as Olympic which of course ended w/retirment .....[ 04-12-2012: Message edited by: lasuvidaboy ]

You know it's occurred to me that if Titanic had never encountered the iceberg, she would have ended up far less famous than the Olympic. After all Olympic was the first of her class, and often the first is best remembered.

quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
....Also, had the 1997 film not been made, the anniversary of the sinking would have mostly gone unnoticed.

[ 04-12-2012: Message edited by: lasuvidaboy ]


As much as I enjoyed Mr Cameron's film (and I'm very grateful he produced it) the Titanic was a super star long before it's release. I have no doubt that the anniversary would be getting major attention even without that movie or it's current re-release.


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