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desirod7
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posted 12-15-2012 03:43 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Had a convo last night with an engineer who worked on the Queen Mary conversion in Long Beach year 1968. They had to convert all of the wiring to 120/277v AC from the ship's original DC system. It was not talked about but there were electrical fires here and there. In those days the wiring was insulated with compressed paper and very flammable.

Most of the pre-war ships went to the scrapyard since it was the wiring to go first. Plumbing to go second, boilers third, and hull structure fourth.

Berengaria-Imperator was shut down by the coast guard in 1938 when the wiring started to ignite in NY harbor.


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BMWM5
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posted 12-16-2012 06:55 AM      Profile for BMWM5        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Toward the end The Olympic experienced cracks in her hull. Andrews noticed the hull plates flapping during her trials. The Titanic was under construction at the time. To help rectify the problem a forward enclosure to the promenade deck was installed.

I'm sure the SS United States would have to be re-wired if she's ever converted to a static attraction.


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desirod7
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posted 12-17-2012 09:49 AM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Agamemnon, Kaiser Wilhelm II and Konprinzesin Cecile were scrapped in 1940, were not used for troop duty in WWII.

They also had the antiquated and dodgy electircal systems and not worth the time and effort for conversion.


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linerguy
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posted 12-17-2012 12:09 PM      Profile for linerguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi David:

Kaiser Wilhelm II and Agamemnon were actually the same ship. When the U.S. took over KWII in 1917, it renamed her u.s.s. Kaiser Wilhelm II and then, in September, changed it to Agamemnon.

Her name was changed again in 1927 to Monticello.

Kronprinzessin Cecilie (one of my favorite names for an ocean liner) was renamed Mt. Vernon when taken over by the U.S.

Kronprinz Wilhelm was renamed Von Steuben and was scrapped in '23.....

-Russ

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desirod7
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posted 12-17-2012 01:46 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks Russ,

It amazes me that the postwar liners lived much longer lives. Olympia-Regal Empress, Queen Anna Maria-Carnivale, Moore McCormack twins, Oceanic, Sea Breeze all had 40plus service years. Regal Empress making it to 55.

I believe it had to do with better MEP systems, tank and hull metallurgy, and what was learned in WWII technically.


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posted 12-17-2012 05:19 PM      Profile for linerguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Especially when you think about ships like White Star's HOMERIC: scrapped after only 13 years of actual service.
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posted 12-18-2012 04:44 PM      Profile for jetwet1   Author's Homepage   Email jetwet1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Originally posted by linerguy:
Especially when you think about ships like White Star's HOMERIC: scrapped after only 13 years of actual service.

While true she had only been in service for 13 years, she was she was 22 when pulled from service, she had seen a lot of neglect between 1913 and 1919 and she ran the north Atlantic in the winter months, a route that will age any ship.


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posted 12-24-2012 03:10 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It costs a fortune to keep an older ship operating. As an example, Britanis (ex Monterey 1932) lasted as long as she did because she was completely gutted in the mid-1950s and was basically a new ship when she re-entered service as Matsonia. She sailed another 13-years for Matson after the rebuilding and another 20-plus for Chandris. The massive late 1950s rebuilding kept her going for another 40-plus years than what her builders could have ever imagined.
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