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jeffrossatsea
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http://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/15658-crystal-drops-ss-united-states-project.html
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Such very disappointing news!

Crystal are the second cruise line (NCL was the first) to strongly suggest that they would return this legendary ship back to service. You would think that a responsible cruise line would do the feasibility study first, BEFORE suggesting that they would return her to service. After all Crystal even prepared concept rending’s of the renovated ship – see above.

What were Crystal thinking? They have never been in the historic ship market before.

I’m no navel architect, but an aging Ocean Liner must be like a vintage car. If you decide to renovate a rusty one to get it road-worthy again, you are going to spend a small fortune. It’s never going to perform as well as a new car or be as comfortable. You are very unlikely to do it for profit, it’s normally done for love.

It’s always going to be so much cheaper to build a brand new cruise ship than attempt to renovate an old one to modern safety standards and include all of todays creature comforts. After all Crystal are all about ‘luxury’ and NOT ‘nostalgia’.

Even Cunard’s fleet are three state-of-the-art ships themed to resemble historic Ocean Liners, inside and out, but they still offer all of the required modern amenities including hundreds of balcony cabins.


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By John Stansfield , August 8, 2016, Cruise Industry

The world’s fastest ocean liner, S.S. United States, won’t be sailing the seas again.

The Titanic-size vessel, which in its 1950s prime boasted one of the most stylish ways to travel between New York and Europe, has been mothballed for decades, ever since jet travel ended the era of the trans-Atlantic superliner. It is docked forlornly in Philadelphia, across the street from an Ikea parking lot, and as recently as last year, scrapping it seemed imminent.

But in February, the Crystal Cruises luxury travel company commissioned a feasibility study to return the S.S. United States to oceangoing service — an idea that astonished even the vessel’s most optimistic supporters.

Now, however, the verdict is in: It’s not going to happen. After an outlay of about $1 million on the study, Crystal has decided that the obstacles are too great.

There was “a lot of really sincere disappointment, we really tried to make a go of it,” said Tim Sullivan, a retired Coast Guard rear admiral and a consultant to Crystal who led the assessment. There were “no huge showstoppers,” he said, but a combination of engineering and regulatory obstacles ultimately put commercial success out of reach.

The “Big U,” as the ship is known, is a 20th-century engineering marvel. Built as a luxury liner with theaters, staterooms and orchestras on board, it was also a Cold War secret weapon: It could rapidly be converted into a fast troop ship.

On its maiden voyage, in 1952, the ship made the fastest trans-Atlantic crossing ever, a record that still stands. Its engineering details, including the hull and propeller designs, remained state secrets for decades.

Earlier this year, Crystal signed an exclusive purchase option for the ship with the S.S. United States Conservancy, a preservationist group that has owned the vessel since 2010, when it mounted an 11th-hour effort to save the ship from a date with the scrap yard. Until Crystal emerged, the conservancy had been seeking partners to make the ship part of a waterfront real estate development. The idea was to fill the vessel with restaurants, hotels, museums or office space. It will now resume that strategy.

“We actually think we’re really closer than ever to finally saving her for the long term,” said Susan Gibbs, the executive director of the conservancy.

That is at least partly because Crystal’s top-to-bottom examination concluded that the 65-year-old vessel, taken out of service in 1969, remains sound. It also means any future partners will not have to spend the money to figure that out.

Admiral Sullivan said that as part of the study, divers inspected the hull, and engineers peered into the ship’s more than 100 ballast and fuel tanks and assessed the structural condition. A 3-D scan was also performed of the interior, which has as much floor space as a small skyscraper.

But among other things, it turned out that replacing the ship’s steam engines — which have not been powered up for decades — would have required rebuilding about 25 percent of the hull. These and other changes, necessary for the project to make business sense as a cruise ship, raised the prospect of, in effect, making it into an entirely new ship.

Another commercial obstacle for Crystal, Admiral Sullivan said, was the Jones Act, which regulates maritime activities. Crystal hoped to sail the vessel as a United States-flagged ship, which would permit it to sail directly between American ports — a big competitive advantage. Typically, cruise ships do not have that right, because unlike the Big U, they were not built in the United States, and they sail under foreign flags.

But Crystal is foreign-owned, by Genting Hong Kong, making it difficult to obtain permission to raise a United States flag. Crystal went to Washington and met with regulators and lawmakers, Admiral Sullivan said, and concluded,

“That’s going to be hard.”

In the past, the conservancy has explored several options for the ship, including a Miami hotel proposal, a development-and-museum complex in Philadelphia, a Brooklyn-based tech incubator and ideas in Boston, Baltimore and Florida.

“We’re immediately resuming our outreach to prospective developers and investors,” Ms. Gibbs said.

In the meantime, Crystal is donating $350,000 to the conservancy, money that will come in handy. It costs about $60,000 a month to dock and maintain the ship.

Source: nytimes.com


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The end is near. Let's face it,
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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 10-30-2016 04:12 PM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have said this for a long time !
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cruisemole
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posted 12-02-2016 06:40 AM      Profile for cruisemole   Email cruisemole   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Silly billies.

1m$ on a feasability study.

I could have told them 'No' for a nominal fee.


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With the new American President having a big personality and due to take over shortly perhaps he could have the rusting hulk ' United States ' made into an American Presidential yacht and perhaps re-named ' President Trump ' He could then arrive in style on his world wide visits, having first arrived in a country by plane, and know it is not rigged with hidden listening equipment !
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With no recent news on the ' United States ' and lots of Americans not with us now when she was in service I think it is time she was cut up and bits of her sold as a keepsake of what was the leading and fastest american liner. RIP
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With the multi million dollar new development announced for the american port of Philadelphia, where the ' United States ' has been laid up for a number of years, it is looking as if her years at this port could soon come to an end.
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