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Minister confirms the mega-ship plan
by COLIN O'CONNOR
July 8, 2005

MINISTER of Transport and Tourism Dr. Ewart Brown announced last week, in what sounded like a fait accompli, a "Ports Enhancement Project" which will see 950-foot mega-cruise ships in St. George's and Hamilton.

Former Minister of Tourism Jim Woolridge had lambasted the plan as further evidence that Bermuda continues to pursue an ever lower socio-economic demographic, in terms of the background and affluence of visitors, and he wasted no time in damning confirmation of the Minister's plans.

"'Enhancement' means 'to make greater in value, reputation, or usefulness', according to my dictionary, and it appears that the Minister has already assumed that his plan will do that," said Mr. Woolridge.

"In fact, it's a sell-out to the cruise lines, and it will certainly make Bermuda greater in value and usefulness to them, but at a considerable cost to our reputation among the type of people who we would like to welcome back – by air."

Dr. Brown acknowledged that the project "involves redeveloping our cruise ports to accommodate larger cruise ships", and although he said that it would only affect "some of our ports", he went on to describe a plan which would see mega-ships in both harbours and at Dockyard.

Despite saying five years ago that Bermuda did not want "huge cruise ships capable of carrying up to 3,000 passengers to dock at the islands", according to a report carried locally and by Reuters news agency, the Minister appears to have bowed to the wishes of the cruise ship industry.

"The reality is that most of the cruise ships coming to Bermuda today are the oldest, smallest and least profitable ships in the major cruise line fleets," he said last week, "and are slowly being sold off or scrapped. The ships that are replacing these older ships are in most cases larger in passenger capacity, length and width, with most too large to access Hamilton and St. George's."

The need to allow those behemoths to dock at Penno's Wharf in St.George's and in Hamilton is expected to require the widening and dredging of Town Cut and Two Rock Passage, but in a three and a half-page press release announcing the ports project and the formation of a "Waterfront Task Force", Dr. Brown made reference to "a review of possible modifications to Town Cut" but no mention of the work which would have to be done to ensure that these larger ships could safely transit Two Rock passage into Hamilton, or the environmental and aesthetic consequences thereof.

The Minister insisted that cruise ships "contribute significantly to our economy", but could only point to total Government and private sector revenues of $60 million annually (although his numbers totalled $64 million), which Mr. Woolridge derided as a "pittance in the overall scheme of things in Bermuda's economy".

"That amounts to no more than a few per cent of Bermuda's economy, and he seems unaware that the reason the cruise ships are packing even more people on to these massive ships is because they too are going down-market," he said.

"For the cruise lines, the economies of scale mean that it suits them to squeeze more people aboard who can only afford a trip that costs $150 a day."

Mr. Woolridge complained that Dr. Brown had talked only of revenues, but not of costs.

"He said that Government gets $18 million annually in various taxes and fees, although he reduced the tax from $60 to $20 for 'one-day callers', but what's the real cost in terms of permanently damaged harbours and lowered standards? And those of us with experience in this business recognise that the 'one-day callers' create greater demand, because they are trying to fit in as much as they can.

"When David Saul was Finance Minister, we increased the tax from $20 to $60, because we were paying Marine & Ports people 365 days a year, and we felt that the taxpayers shouldn't have to pay the whole burden for tugs and tenders, and there wasn't a word of complaint from the cruise lines back then.

"Meanwhile, when they tried to raise taxes to $5 in the Caribbean, the cruise lines objected, and when asked how that could be, they said that Bermuda had $60 worth of infrastructure.

"(Dr. Brown) said that the cruise ship passengers and crew spend $46 million a year here, but what is the net profit to Bermuda? Someone here has to pay for the buses and taxis they use and the gas that goes in them, and the cheap souvenirs they buy. What is their net contribution to the economy?"

Dr. Brown did describe significant infrastructure spending, but gave no estimate of its cost.

"The vision for Dockyard includes the construction of a second cruise berth to accommodate most of the 'mega ships'," he announced, "which fall into the class of ships like the Voyager of the Seas. In addition, a new transportation hub for bus, ferry, taxi and watersport tours will be developed, as will other infrastructure improvements to ensure that water, sewer and refuge (sic) are handled in an environmentally sensitive way."

Mr. Woolridge noted, with regard to transportation, that he had been in town on Wednesday morning, and that it seemed that it was difficult to service the visitors from the current, smaller ships.

"I don't know if there are other things going on, but the Zenith and Horizon are in town, and a lot of their visitors are standing around waiting for taxis," he advised.

"That's not the sort of thing which enhances a quality resort.

"The available transportation is already stretched too thin. I don't think it would be
popular or sensible for the Minister to increase the number of cabs on the road, because during the off season the fellows are out there struggling for survival. But the plan to invite mega-ships takes me back to the time when smaller oil tankers were phased out to make way for those very large crude carriers, and they caused huge problems with oil spills and pollution and now you don't hear much about them.

"The problem is that if this mega-cruise ship business turns out to be a fad, we can not take back the terrible damage we will have done to our harbours and our environment. Once it's gone, you can't get it back."

Mr. Woolridge was concerned about the "deafening silence" which had greeted the news of the proposed changes to the harbours, and to Bermuda's tourism strategy.
"We may change the physical appearance of Bermuda for these 950-foot mega-ships, but it will not lead to the employment of one additional Bermudian. Our restaurants are under pressure, but they won't buy any meals either, because it's all included aboard. But If the Southampton Princess is at full capacity, it will employ about 600 people.

"With nearly 3,000 people in St. eorge's, 3,000 in Hamilton, and nearly 6,000 in Dockyard, because they plan to have four mega-ships here at one time, who is going to service the airports, hotels and international companies, who came here on the understanding there would be a viable transportation system? We are already outstripping our ability to provide the quality service that Bermuda built its reputation on.

"It's worth repeating; these cruise lines don't care about the future of Bermuda as a high-class resort, because that's not the business they're in. Bermuda is a convenient stop for them from New York and the north-eastern seaboard; it is a delightful and viable destination; people felt safe here, or they used to do so, and we need to get back to that. Nothing about the presence of those mega-ships will restore that."

Hamilton Mayor Lawson Mapp said it was too early to be sure how it would all work out, but he sounded some of the same themes as Mr. Woolridge.

"We as a Corporation have decided we should do something about redeveloping our waterfront, and we are trying to work with the Ministry of Tourism and Transport to examine how we can best accommodate the new type of vessels," said Mr. Mapp.

"We are told that the current eight ships that are serving us will be sold off in five or six years, but we all know that the type of visitor we try to attract really don't want to be on a ship with 3,000 passengers.

"They like the smaller ships, they like the gourmet meals and a nice ambience, and having 3,000 passengers and 1,500 crew spewing out on to Front Street is something we will have to look at very carefully; how we can accommodate them, the financial benefits, and environmental considerations; can the ship get through Two Rock passage?"

"We don't have the terms of reference yet for the Waterfront Task Force, but if a ship can't get through Two Rock, and there are environmental issues, like having to blow up Two Rock and damage coral reefs, then that's a non-starter.

"I must give the Minister credit; he has been working to get the airlines to get fares down, and that's what we need to focus on. If we get the airfares down, people will stay in the hotels, and they employ Bermudians; the cruise ships don't employ Bermudians.

"When you work out what these people spend when they're on the island, a few trinkets and such, the people who come by air are much more beneficial for us, because they create jobs for chambermaids and taxi drivers, for waiters and waitresses.

"We have to wait until we hear from the technical people as to whether a 'Panamax' ship can come into Hamilton. In the end, they may decide the ship is going to create too many waves, or it can't get in without causing too much of an environmental problem, and then the case will be closed."

National Trust director Steve Conway said: "So far we have not been presented with any specific plans for Higgs Island and the Cruise Ports plan except that we have been told by Tourism and Transport that options are being assessed to see what, if anything, needs to be done to fit a larger cruise ship. We are looking at it ourselves and hope to form a consensus from within the Trust within the next week or so."

The Royal Gazette


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posted 07-12-2005 08:05 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think Bermuda, like so many other islands and ports of call, is facing a double-edged sword. They want some cruise tourism, but not to be overwhelmed with hoards of people. The problem is that, as the size of cruise ships increases, there are very few viable ships left for the existing Bermuda market, so they've got to accommodate larger vessels.

Currently the few large ships that do call at Bermuda must either tender or use the Dockyards, which is inconvenient to passengers and does not draw them to the cruise, as would docking downtown in Hamilton do.

Rich


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posted 07-12-2005 08:28 AM      Profile for moodus2   Email moodus2   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
if i was the head of bermuda dept of tourism i would tell the
cruise lines that we are not dredging or making the harbors
bigger to accomadate bigger
cruise ships and limit the size
and passenger capacity.
cruises to bermuda are in demand. i believe that if the cruise lines still want the bermuda market they will build
small cruise ships.

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posted 07-12-2005 07:30 PM      Profile for Thad   Email Thad   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well I am not sure I totally agree with the former minister on this one. When I used to regularly go to Bermuda in the 80's and early 90's there would often be three cruise ships in port in Hamilton, as well as one in St. George's and one out in the Great Sound. The island did not seemed overwhelmed back then. And how does having say the Millennium in Hamilton all that much different from having the Doric, Statendam and Volendam back in the eighties. Together those three callers would hold more passengers than the Millie does. At the same time, the Rotterdam and Oceanic would be in the Great Sound, tendering in all their passengers. This seems more about trying to keep Carnival out than anything else....
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quote:
Originally posted by Thad:
When I used to regularly go to Bermuda in the 80's and early 90's there would often be three cruise ships in port in Hamilton, as well as one in St. George's and one out in the Great Sound. The island did not seemed overwhelmed back then. And how does having say the Millennium in Hamilton all that much different from having the Doric, Statendam and Volendam back in the eighties. Together those three callers would hold more passengers than the Millie does. At the same time, the Rotterdam and Oceanic would be in the Great Sound, tendering in all their passengers. This seems more about trying to keep Carnival out than anything else....

I assume Rotterdam did sail on Alaskan Cruises at that time.

Doric sold to Royal Cruise Line in 1981.
Statendam sold to Paquet Cruises in 1982


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posted 07-13-2005 01:57 PM      Profile for Thad   Email Thad   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well late 1970's then or 1980. Needless to say, there were often mulitple ships in Hamilton Harbor with others anchored out in the Sound.
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posted 07-13-2005 05:18 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Thad:
When I used to regularly go to Bermuda in the 80's and early 90's there would often be three cruise ships in port in Hamilton, as well as one in St. George's and one out in the Great Sound. The island did not seemed overwhelmed back then. And how does having say the Millennium in Hamilton all that much different from having the Doric, Statendam and Volendam back in the eighties. Together those three callers would hold more passengers than the Millie does. At the same time, the Rotterdam and Oceanic would be in the Great Sound, tendering in all their passengers. This seems more about trying to keep Carnival out than anything else....
Thad, if they enlarge/dreadge the harbor and enlarge the docks, more than one panamax ships can dock together. Can you imagine three panamax ships, a VOYAGER-class, a QM2, and a Carnival Destiny-class ship together?

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I get the impression that the cruise industry is gernerally facing a seriouse problem as not only Bermuda but many destinations around the globe just don`t want cruise ships. They will have to come up with something to change that.
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In the Seventies, Rotterdam did sail to Nassau and Hamilton(Thursday call).
Rotterdam deployed to Alasakan waters in the summer months since 1981.

Since late seventies, Oceanic did call at Hamilton(Monday only) and Nassau.

Between 1981 and 1983, Veendam did call at Hamilton from Monday to Thursday.
Veendam renamed as Bermuda Star in 1984.

In 1981, Volendam did call at St. George's from Tuesday Morning until Wednesday afternoon and Hamilton from Wednesday evening until Friday afternoon on Spring & fall cruises. (On summer cruises and later years: Left St. George's and arrived at Hamilton on Thursday morning).
Volendam renamed as Island Sun in 1984.

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The Cruise Lines are idiots. They will destroy Bermuda with their greedy monster ships.

"Downmarket" hahahaahhahahaha


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In the mid eighties, Home Line had exculsive docking privileges on Front Street in Hamilton Monday through Friday for Atlantic and Homeric(entered service in May 1986).

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quote:
Originally posted by Ernst:
I get the impression that the cruise industry is gernerally facing a seriouse problem as not only Bermuda but many destinations around the globe just don`t want cruise ships. They will have to come up with something to change that.

Build smaller fricken ships. But as the CEO's waistlines get fatter, so do their ships. Maybe they build bigger ships so they appear smaller when standing next to them.


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quote:
Originally posted by moodus2:
if i was the head of bermuda dept of tourism i would tell the
cruise lines that we are not dredging or making the harbors
bigger to accomadate bigger
cruise ships and limit the size
and passenger capacity.
cruises to bermuda are in demand. i believe that if the cruise lines still want the bermuda market they will build
small cruise ships.

Hear! Hear!


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I agree, it won't kill any cruise line to build a ship 55,000grt or less to cruise to Bermuda. It's not as though she'll be useless during the winter, late fall, and early spring. Particularly in the case of Celebrity, I'd imagine a ship like that would be good for South America cruises, or something along those lines. Bermuda should force any cruise line wanting to bring megaships there to berth them at St. Georges. Whatever fits through the channel can cruise to the island.
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quote:
Environmentalist blasts Govt. over mega-ship plans
By Sam Stevens
August 2, 2005

One of Bermuda's pre-eminent conservationists has slammed Government plans to accommodate mega-cruise ships in local waters – labelling the controversial initiative as "outrageous", environmentally irresponsible and a defiance of common sense.

Speaking to The Royal Gazette yesterday, former Government Conservation Officer David Wingate joined a chorus of disapproval at the idea of dredging and widening the Island's shipping lanes – arguing such a move would cause "catastrophic" damage to Bermuda's marine environment.

Transport Minister Ewart Brown last month officially unveiled the Ministry's Ports Enhancement Project which, along with the redevelopment of the Island's waterfronts into pedestrianised commercial zones, will involve the reconfiguration of all harbours and ports to accommodate the larger ships which are beginning to dominate the cruise industry world-wide.

However, Dr. Wingate argued mega-ships are nothing more than a "passing fad", while suggesting that moves to accommodate them make little long-term economic sense and would prove too heavy a burden on Bermuda's already swollen infrastructure.

The negative ramifications of widening and dredging Town Cut off St. George's have also not yet been properly considered, he continued, intimating that the historic old town would be vulnerable to extensive flooding during a hurricane if the channel is deepened significantly.

"If Bermuda was hit by a category four hurricane from the east, the major ocean swells, coupled with the accompanying storm surge would not be abated if the channel is made deeper," he argued.

"Major hurricanes back in 1839 and 1899 saw St. George's town square flooded right up to buildings' second storey. Fabian did not do that but the potential is there. It must also not be forgotten that to widen Town Cut, you will have to encroach to some extent on Higgs Island, which is protected National Park. This represents the second time this year [along with plans for a new hospital] that the suggestion of building on protected parkland has been bandied about. I think it is setting a very dangerous precedent. But the whole mega-ship scheme is just so outrageous. It does not make any sense. Ewart Brown has a reputation for getting things done but in this instance he must take a long, hard look at the likely environmental impacts versus the tangible benefits to tourism and the economy before taking such drastic action."

Along with others, Dr. Wingate also called for the commissioning of an independent environmental impact report – to be made public on release – before any concrete plans are formulated within the Ministry of Transport.

Meanwhile, another environmentalist, Stuart Hayward said that while he appreciated Dr. Brown's "sterling efforts" to revive the tourism industry, he too was deeply concerned over the prospect of allowing mega-ships to come to Bermuda.

"I'm really not convinced mega-ships are the right way to go," he said.

"It is a tough issue I admit. But I am not sure our infrastructure can cope with thousands of people simply plonked down at one go in a single location. But what concerns me more is that the public really has not been furnished with a great deal of information on the subject and the plan seems to be more developed than it should be given that no environmental impact report has been completed."

Such a report is obligatory under the Environment Charter, Mr. Hayward pointed out, signed by then-Premier Jennifer Smith on September 26, 2001.

The Royal Gazette


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Good news that the plan is gaining some opposition in Bermuda. Mr. Wingate made many valid points in the article. The idea of damaging St. George's so much just to make room for mega-ships (which I would have to agree with him are a passing fad) is absolutely dumbfounding. Then what will happen when all those passengers are out and about? There'd be too many people, and the ships spoken of are just too large. If the cruise lines can get it through their heads (which seem to be thicker than the armour of a Panzer tank) that they can't build exclusively monstrous ships, and that they cannot continue to up the ante every two years- then maybe they could provide the solution themselves- building a few smaller ships.
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It is actually a very strange apporach trying to adapt the destination and not to build ships suitable for a certain destination.
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now is the time for some one to
start a small 2 ship cruise line. just like the furness-bermuda line of old.

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It will be a sad day for Bermuda if Transport &Tourism Minister, Dr. Ewart Brown is allowed to proceed with his "Ports Enhancement Project".
My support would go to Jim Woolridge, the former Minister of Tourism. Bermuda is much too small to accomodate passengers from mega-ships; already traffic regularly grinds to a halt during 'rush hours'. I shudder to think of an additional 6,000++ people milling around.

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