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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 03-16-2002 01:18 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Orient Lines has announced its 3rd season of Kosher cruises.

There are 17 cruises to choose from, many of which call at ports with Jewish interest.

Orient Lines are the only cruise line to offer a variety of cruises featuring freshly cooked glatt Kosher meals from a seperate Kosher galley under strict Rabbinical supervision.


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desirod7
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posted 03-19-2002 09:56 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
only cruise line to offer a variety of cruises featuring freshly cooked glatt Kosher meals from a seperate Kosher galley under strict Rabbinical supervision.

The Greek Line of yore used to have kosher kitchen's. The Olympia and Queen Anna Maria former first class dining room were the kosher dinning rooms on the cruises.

The Normandie and the Cunard Queens had shipboard synagogues.

As far as strict Rabinnical supervision, On the Olympia, the rabbi made them throw a set of dishes for 1000 overboard since they were not kosher for passover.

On the QAM one chef chased the rabbi out of the kitchen with a butcher knife. LOL


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cruiseny
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posted 05-01-2002 03:22 PM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello,

Interetsing that the Greek Line had Kosher cruises... I know plenty of Jews and plenty of Greeks, but I don't think I've ever met a Greek Jew (maybe I have, I just didn't know it)... However, I most certainly know Jews who have been on Greek ships...

I do know that a member of my extra-super-extended family went on a Carnival cruise and had to pay extra for Kosher, or bring their own dishes, or something... And they're the only cruise line I can think of that was founded by an Israeli ...

Happy Cruising,
CruiseNY


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posted 05-01-2002 04:58 PM      Profile for Amerikanis   Email Amerikanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No, Cruiseny, Cunard is founded by an Jew, too.

Samuel Cunard, born 1787 in Halifax Harbour is the Founder of Cunard Line, since 1839 they have an Transatlantic Service, under an other Name, and on July 4th, 1840, the BRITANNIA, sails as first Cunard Ship from Liverpool to Halifax.

Today Cunard belongs to Carnival, so it is in Jewish Hand, but Cunard is much elder and first founded, than Carnival.

I did 2 Cruises in 1994 with Cunards Crown Dynasty, both are an good Experience. No Question, i would book again.

Kosher Food is no Problem an Demand, you must tell them, when booking, what you want.


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cruiseny
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posted 05-01-2002 05:08 PM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello,

Interesting, I didn't know Samuel Cunard was a Jew...

Happy Cruising,
CruiseNY


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Amerikanis
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posted 05-01-2002 05:26 PM      Profile for Amerikanis   Email Amerikanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
An other Person in the Size and Quality of Samuel Cunard was ALBERT BALLIN, since 1899 General Director of HAPAG.

In 1914 under him as Boss, Hapag was bigger than all Companies from Continental Europe together.

Albert Ballin was an Jew, and an very good Friend of our Emperor WILLIAM II. The biggest and best Ship at this Time was the VATERLAND. She had an 3-deck-high heatened Inside-Pool.

Albert Ballin took on November 9th, 1918, two Days before World-War I ended, Sleep-Tablets in an big Dosis and made Suicid, because he could not see the War and his Ships are lost.

Later Hapag has an Cruise Ship with the Name of Albert Ballin until 1938. In 1938 the Name changes into HANSA. This is the Year, when the Synagoges burn in November in the so called "Cristal-Night". NSDAP comes into Government January 30, 1933. So for nearly 6 Years, the Name of the Ship was no Problem.


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Amerikanis
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posted 05-01-2002 05:36 PM      Profile for Amerikanis   Email Amerikanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No, i made an Mistake. The Name was changed in 1935.
See: Arnold Kludas "The History of the German Passengerships from 1850 - 1990.

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posted 01-27-2003 05:06 PM           Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Crystal now offers Kosher cruises.
Premium cruise ships/lines have a large proportion of Jewish passengers compared to the general population.

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posted 02-03-2003 03:09 PM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm glad to see more and more ships offer Kosher options so our Jewish friends can completely enjoy their vacation!
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posted 02-18-2003 05:52 PM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How difficult is it to prepare Kosher meals? Does that increase the pricing a bit for the rest of the passengers?
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PamM
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posted 02-20-2003 05:56 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, you need a 2nd kitchen, separate everything, crockery, cutlery, all utensils, and 2 lots of those even. My brother is in charge of a hospital's catering. He has a budget per day per patient. For a normal standard fare the cost per day is 1/3 that of a Kosher diet, with various different nutritional diets inbetween, Kosher being the most expensive.
Pam

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mamamcd
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posted 02-20-2003 07:37 PM      Profile for mamamcd   Email mamamcd   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've only cruised with NCL and RCI, and I didn't see any kosher options on their menu - if it's being offered at an extra cost, and perhaps for the exception of kosher cruises, I can't imagine that it's a cost that severely affects other cruisers. Considering that kosher requests are probably low (in comparison to non-kosher meals) ships offering it probably have section of the galley that can be kept kosher (2 sinks, 2 sets of utensils etc).

An off-topic aside - I've seen vegetarian options offered, but not vegan (absolutely no animal products) - it's really hard to maintain a vegan kitchen as well (I've known people who will not use utensils etc that have come into contact with animal products). I've never seen halal meals offered or the meats advertised as such either.


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Barryboat
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posted 02-24-2003 04:48 PM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't think it would be common to see kosher options on the menu....when you book your cruise with a travel agent...the travel agent makes a reservation with the cruise line for kosher meals. You have to request any special dietary needs before your cruise.
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desirod7
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posted 02-24-2003 08:54 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Barry,

Do you keep kosher?


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Barryboat
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posted 02-26-2003 10:39 AM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I do not practice eating Kosher foods. Kosher is an old-testament practice...I live according to the new-testament. This does not mean, however that I wouldn't eat Kosher food if it were available.

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posted 02-26-2003 10:48 PM      Profile for fluctuant nec mergitur   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am an Orthodox Jew and observe Kosher restrictions. Here is a little more insight into Kashrut.

Kashrut is the body of Jewish law dealing with what foods we can and cannot eat and how those foods must be prepared and eaten. "Kashrut" comes from the Hebrew root Kaf-Shin-Resh, meaning fit, proper or correct. It is the same root as the more commonly known word "kosher," which describes food that meets these standards. The word "kosher" can also be used, and often is used, to describe ritual objects that are made in accordance with Jewish law and are fit for ritual use.

There is no such thing as "kosher-style" food. Kosher is not a style of cooking. Chinese food can be kosher if it is prepared in accordance with Jewish law, and there are many fine kosher Chinese restaurants in Philadelphia and New York. Traditional Ashkenazic Jewish foods like knishes, bagels, blintzes, and matzah ball soup can all be non-kosher if not prepared in accordance with Jewish law. When a restaurant calls itself "kosher-style," it usually means that the restaurant serves these traditional Jewish foods, and it almost invariably means that the food is not actually kosher.

Food that is not kosher is commonly referred to as treyf (lit. torn, from the commandment not to eat animals that have been torn by other animals).

Why Do We Observe the Laws of Kashrut?
Many modern Jews think that the laws of kashrut are simply primitive health regulations that have become obsolete with modern methods of food preparation. There is no question that some of the dietary laws have some beneficial health effects. For example, the laws regarding kosher slaughter are so sanitary that kosher butchers and slaughterhouses have been exempted from many USDA regulations.

However, health is not the only reason for Jewish dietary laws. Many of the laws of kashrut have no known connection with health. To the best of our modern scientific knowledge, there is no reason why camel or rabbit meat (both treyf) is any less healthy than cow or goat meat. In addition, some of the health benefits to be derived from kashrut were not made obsolete by the refrigerator. For example, there is some evidence that eating meat and dairy together interferes with digestion, and no modern food preparation technique reproduces the health benefit of the kosher law of eating them separately.

In recent years, several secular sources that have seriously looked into this matter have acknowledged that health does not explain these prohibitions. Some have suggested that the prohibitions are instead derived from environmental considerations. For example, a camel (which is not kosher) is more useful as a beast of burden than as a source of food. In the Middle Eastern climate, the pig consumes a quantity of food that is disproportional to its value as a food source. But again, these are not reasons that come from Jewish tradition.

The short answer to why Jews observe these laws is: because the Torah says so. The Torah does not specify any reason for these laws, and for a Torah-observant, traditional Jew, there is no need for any other reason. Some have suggested that the laws of kashrut fall into the category of "chukkim," laws for which there is no reason. We show our obedience to G-d by following these laws even though we do not know the reason. Others, however, have tried to ascertain G-d's reason for imposing these laws.

In his book "To Be a Jew" (an excellent resource on traditional Judaism), Rabbi Hayim Halevy Donin suggests that the dietary laws are designed as a call to holiness. The ability to distinguish between right and wrong, good and evil, pure and defiled, the sacred and the profane, is very important in Judaism. Imposing rules on what you can and cannot eat ingrains that kind of self control, requiring us to learn to control even our most basic, primal instincts.

Donin also points out that the laws of kashrut elevate the simple act of eating into a religious ritual. The Jewish dinner table is often compared to the Temple altar in rabbinic literature. A Jew who observes the laws of kashrut cannot eat a meal without being reminded of the fact that he is a Jew,

How Difficult is it to Keep Kosher?
People who do not keep kosher often tell me how difficult it is. Actually, keeping kosher is not particularly difficult in and of itself; what makes it difficult to keep kosher is the fact that the rest of the world does not do so.

As we shall see below, the basic underlying rules are fairly simple. If you buy your meat at a kosher butcher and buy only kosher certified products at the market, the only thing you need to think about is the separation of meat and dairy.

Keeping kosher only becomes difficult when you try to eat in a non-kosher restaurant, or at the home of a person who does not keep kosher. In those situations, your lack of knowledge about your host's ingredients and the food preparation techniques make it very difficult to keep kosher. Some commentators have pointed out, however, that this may well have been part of what G-d had in mind: to make it more difficult for us to socialize with those who do not share our religion.

General Rules
Although the details of kashrut are extensive, the laws all derive from a few fairly simple, straightforward rules:

Certain animals may not be eaten at all. This restriction includes the flesh, organs, eggs and milk of the forbidden animals.
Of the animals that may be eaten, the birds and mammals must be killed in accordance with Jewish law.
All blood must be drained from the meat or broiled out of it before it is eaten.
Certain parts of permitted animals may not be eaten.
Meat (the flesh of birds and mammals) cannot be eaten with dairy. Fish, eggs, fruits, vegetables and grains can be eaten with either meat or dairy. (According to some views, fish may not be eaten with meat).
Utensils that have come into contact with meat may not be used with dairy, and vice versa. Utensils that have come into contact with non-kosher food may not be used with kosher food. This applies only where the contact occurred while the food was hot.
Grape products made by non-Jews may not be eaten.
The Details
Animals that may not be eaten
Of the "beasts of the earth" (which basically refers to land mammals with the exception of swarming rodents), you may eat any animal that has cloven hooves and chews its cud. Lev. 11:3; Deut. 14:6. Any land mammal that does not have both of these qualities is forbidden. The Torah specifies that the camel, the rock badger, the hare and the pig are not kosher because each lacks one of these two qualifications. Sheep, cattle, goats and deer are kosher.

Of the things that are in the waters, you may eat anything that has fins and scales. Lev. 11:9; Deut. 14:9. Thus, shellfish such as lobsters, oysters, shrimp, clams and crabs are all forbidden. Fish like tuna, carp, salmon and herring are all permitted.

For birds, the criteria is less clear. The Torah lists forbidden birds (Lev. 11:13-19; Deut. 14:11-18), but does not specify why these particular birds are forbidden. All of the birds on the list are birds of prey or scavengers, thus the rabbis inferred that this was the basis for the distinction. Other birds are permitted, such as chicken, geese, ducks and turkeys.

Of the "winged swarming things" (winged insects), a few are specifically permitted (Lev. 11:22), but the Sages are no longer certain which ones they are, so all have been forbidden.

Rodents, reptiles, amphibians, and insects (except as mentioned above) are all forbidden. Lev. 11:29-30, 42-43.

Some authorities require a post-mortem examination of the lungs of cattle, to determine whether the lungs are free from adhesions. If the lungs are free from such adhesions, the animal is deemed "glatt" (that is, "smooth"). In certain circumstances, an animal can be kosher without being glatt; however, the stringency of keeping "glatt kosher" has become increasingly common in recent years.

As mentioned above, any product derived from these forbidden animals, such as their milk, eggs, fat, or organs, also cannot be eaten. Rennet, an enzyme used to harden cheese, is often obtained from non-kosher animals, thus kosher hard cheese can be difficult to find.

Kosher slaughtering
The mammals and birds that may be eaten must be slaughtered in accordance with Jewish law. (Deut. 12:21). We may not eat animals that died of natural causes (Deut. 14:21) or that were killed by other animals. In addition, the animal must have no disease or flaws in the organs at the time of slaughter. These restrictions do not apply to fish; only to the flocks and herds (Num. 11:22).

Ritual slaughter is known as shechitah, and the person who performs the slaughter is called a shochet, both from the Hebrew root Shin-Chet-Tav, meaning to destroy or kill. The method of slaughter is a quick, deep stroke across the throat with a perfectly sharp blade with no nicks or unevenness. This method is painless, causes unconsciousness within two seconds, and is widely recognized as the most humane method of slaughter possible.

Another advantage of shechitah is that ensures rapid, complete draining of the blood, which is also necessary to render the meat kosher.

The shochet is not simply a butcher; he must be a pious man, well-trained in Jewish law, particularly as it relates to kashrut. In smaller, more remote communities, the rabbi and the shochet were often the same person.

Draining of Blood
The Torah prohibits consumption of blood. Lev. 7:26-27; Lev. 17:10-14. This is the only dietary law that has a reason specified in Torah: we do not eat blood because the life of the animal is contained in the blood. This applies only to the blood of birds and mammals, not to fish blood. Thus, it is necessary to remove all blood from the flesh of kosher animals.

The first step in this process occurs at the time of slaughter. As discussed above, shechitah allows for rapid draining of most of the blood.

The remaining blood must be removed, either by broiling or soaking and salting. Liver may only be kashered by the broiling method, because it has so much blood in it and such complex blood vessels. This final process must be completed within 72 hours after slaughter, and before the meat is frozen or ground. Most butchers and all frozen food vendors take care of the soaking and salting for you, but you should always check this when you are buying someplace you are unfamiliar with.

An egg that contains a blood spot may not be eaten. This isn't very common, but I find them once in a while. It is a good idea to break an egg into a container and check it before you put it into a heated pan, because if you put a blood-stained egg into a heated pan, the pan becomes non-kosher.

Forbidden Fats and Nerves
The sciatic nerve and its adjoining blood vessels may not be eaten. The process of removing this nerve is time consuming and not cost-effective, so most American slaughterers simply sell the hind quarters to non-kosher butchers.

A certain kind of fat, known as chelev, which surrounds the vital organs and the liver, may not be eaten. Kosher butchers remove this. Modern scientists have found biochemical differences between this type of fat and the permissible fat around the muscles and under the skin.

Separation of Meat and Dairy
On three separate occasions, the Torah tells us not to "boil a kid in its mother's milk." (Ex. 23:19; Ex. 34:26; Deut. 14:21). The Oral Torah explains that this passage prohibits eating meat and dairy together. The rabbis extended this prohibition to include not eating milk and poultry together. In addition, the Talmud prohibits cooking meat and fish together or serving them on the same plates, because it is considered to be unhealthy. It is, however, permissible to eat fish and dairy together, and it is quite common. It is also permissible to eat dairy and eggs together.

This separation includes not only the foods themselves, but the utensils, pots and pans with which they are cooked, the plates and flatware from which they are eaten, the dishwashers or dishpans in which they are cleaned, and the towels on which they are dried. A kosher household will have at least two sets of pots, pans and dishes: one for meat and one for dairy. See Utensils below for more details.

One must wait a significant amount of time between eating meat and dairy. Opinions differ, and vary from three to six hours. This is because fatty residues and meat particles tend to cling to the mouth. From dairy to meat, however, one need only rinse one's mouth and eat a neutral solid like bread, unless the dairy product in question is also of a type that tends to stick in the mouth.

The Yiddish words fleishig (meat), milchig (dairy) and pareve (neutral) are commonly used to describe food or utensils that fall into one of those categories.

Note that even the smallest quantity of dairy (or meat) in something renders it entirely dairy (or meat) for purposes of kashrut. For example, most margarines are dairy for kosher purposes, because they contain a small quantity of whey or other dairy products to give it a dairy-like taste. Animal fat is considered meat for purposes of kashrut. You should read the ingredients very carefully, even if the product is kosher-certified.

Utensils
Utensils (pots, pans, plates, flatware, etc., etc.) must also be kosher. A utensil picks up the kosher "status" (meat, dairy, pareve, or treyf) of the food that is cooked in it or eaten off of it, and transmits that status back to the next food that is cooked in it or eaten off of it. Thus, if you cook chicken soup in a saucepan, the pan becomes meat. If you thereafter use the same saucepan to heat up some warm milk, the fleishig status of the pan is transmitted to the milk, and the milchig status of the milk is transmitted to the pan, making both the pan and the milk a forbidden mixture.

Kosher status can be transmitted from the food to the utensil or from the utensil to the food only in the presence of heat, thus if you are eating cold food in a non-kosher establishment, the condition of the plates is not an issue. Likewise, you could use the same knife to slice cold cuts and cheese, as long as you clean it in between, but this is not really a recommended procedure, because it increases the likelihood of mistakes.

Stove tops and sinks routinely become non-kosher utensils, because they routinely come in contact with both meat and dairy in the presence of heat. It is necessary, therefore, to use dishpans when cleaning dishes (don't soak them directly in the sink) and to use separate spoon rests and trivets when putting things down on the stove top.

Dishwashers are a kashrut problem. If you are going to use a dishwasher in a kosher home, you either need to have separate dish racks or you need to run the dishwasher in between meat and dairy loads.

You should use separate towels and pot holders for meat and dairy. Routine laundering kashers such items, so you can simply launder them between using them for meat and dairy.

Certain kinds of utensils can be "kashered" if you make a mistake and use it with both meat and dairy. Consult a rabbi for guidance if this situation occurs.

Grape Products
The restrictions on grape products derive from the laws against using products of idolatry. Wine was commonly used in the rituals of all ancient religions, and wine was routinely sanctified for pagan purposes while it was being processed. For this reason, use of wines and other grape products made by non-Jews was prohibited. (Whole grapes are not a problem, nor are whole grapes in fruit cocktail).

For the most part, this rule only affects wine and grape juice. This becomes a concern with many fruit drinks or fruit-flavored drinks, which are often sweetened with grape juice. You may also notice that some baking powders are not kosher, because baking powder is sometimes made with cream of tartar, a by-product of wine making.

Kashrut Certification
The task of keeping kosher is greatly simplified by widespread kashrut certification. Products that have been certified as kosher are labeled with a mark called a hekhsher (from the same Hebrew root as the word "kosher") that ordinarily identifies the rabbi or organization that certified the product. Approximately 3/4 of all prepackaged foods have some kind of kosher certification, and most major brands have reliable Orthodox certification.

The symbols at right are all widely-accepted hekhshers commonly found on products throughout the United States. These symbols are registered tradmarks of kosher certification organizations, and cannot be placed on a food label without the organization's permission. Click the symbols to visit the websites of these organizations. With a little practice, it is very easy to spot these hekhshers on food labels, usually near the product name, occasionally near the list of ingredients. There are many other certifications available, of varying degrees of strictness.

The most controversial certification is the K, a plain letter K found on products asserted to be kosher. A letter of the alphabet cannot be trademarked, so any manufacturer can put a K on a product. For example, Jell-O brand gelatin puts a K on its product, even though every reliable Orthodox authority agrees that Jell-O is not kosher. Most other kosher certification marks are trademarked and cannot be used without the permission of the certifying organization. The certifying organization assures you that the product is kosher according to their standards, but standards vary.

It is becoming increasingly common for kosher certifying organizations to indicate whether the product is fleishig (meat), milchig (dairy) or pareve (neutral). If the product is dairy, it will frequently have a D or the word Dairy next to the kashrut symbol. If it is meat, the word Meat or an M may appear near the symbol. If it is pareve, the word Pareve (or Parev) may appear near the symbol (Not a P! That means kosher for Passover!). If no such clarification appears, you should read the ingredient list carefully to determine whether the product is meat, dairy or pareve.

Kosher certification organizations charge manufacturers a small fee for kosher certification. This fee covers the expenses of researching the ingredients in the product and inspecting the facilities used to manufacture the product. There are some who have complained that these certification costs increase the cost of the products to non-Jewish, non-kosher consumers; however, the actual cost of such certification is so small relative to the overall cost of production that most manufacturers cannot even calculate it. The cost is more than justified by the increase in sales it produces: although observant Jews are only a small fragment of the marketplace, kosher certification is also relied upon by many Muslims (see: http://www.muslimconsumergroup.com/hfs.htm), vegetarians (although this is not fool-proof; dairy and parev foods may contain eggs or fish; but if it isn't kosher, it probably isn't vegetarian), some Seventh Day Adventists, as well as many other people who simply think that kosher products are cleaner, healthier or better than non-kosher products.

Do All Jews Keep Kosher?
About 25% to 30% of Jews in America keep kosher to one extent or another. This includes the vast majority of people who identify themselves as Orthodox, as well as many Conservative and Reconstructionist Jews and some Reform Jews.
However, the standards that are observed vary substantially from one person to another. According to the 1990 National Jewish Population Survey (NJPS), only about 17% of Jewish families eat kosher meat all the time. See Table 28. Others keep kosher more strictly some times than others.

The strictest people will eat only foods that have reliable Orthodox kosher certification, eating only glatt-kosher certified meats and specially certified dairy products. They will not eat cooked food in a restaurant unless the restaurant has reliable Orthodox certification, and they are unlikely to accept an invitation to dinner from anyone who is not known to share their high standards.

Others are more lenient. Some will "ingredients read," accepting grocery store items that do not contain any identifiably non-kosher ingredients. Some will eat cooked food in a restaurant or a non-kosher home, as long as the meal is either vegetarian or uses only kosher meat and no dairy products. Some will eat non-kosher meat in restaurants, but only if the meat comes from a kosher animal and is not served with dairy products. Many of these more lenient people keep stricter standards in their homes than they do in restaurants or in other people's homes.

As rabbi/humorist Jack Moline noted, "Everyone who keeps kosher will tell you that his version is the only correct version. Everyone else is either a fanatic or a heretic." (Growing Up Jewish, 1987). There is a lot of truth in this humorous observation. I have no doubt that I will receive mail calling me a heretic for even acknowledging the existence of lower standards.


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posted 02-27-2003 07:31 AM      Profile for WhiteStar   Email WhiteStar   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fascinating! I had no idea so much was involved in keeping kosher. I would think it would be hard for a cruise ship to follow all these rules.
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fluctuant nec mergitur,

Great overview....thank you for your detailed report on Kosher eating!


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posted 02-27-2003 11:44 AM      Profile for fluctuant nec mergitur   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Another issue is the Observing of Shabbat

Barukh atah Adonai, Elohaynu, melekh ha-olam,
Blessed are You, Lord, our God, King of the Universe,

asher kid’shanu b’mitzvotav, v’tzivanu
who sanctifies us with his commandments, and commands us

l’had’lik neir shel shabbat (Amein)
to light the candles of Shabbat (Amen)

Shabbat begins at sunset Friday evening, and is welcomed by lighting Shabbat candles, no later than 18min to sundown. Though this mitzvah, or commandment, is usually performed by women, if no women are available, men may light candles. A minimum of two candles is lit, signifying the two forms of the commandment, remembering and observing.

Married women often light an extra candle for each member of their families. There's an old tale that says that a woman who misses lighting candles one week will light one extra for the remainder of her life. Of course, that idea was probably started by a candlemaker.

Following the candle lighting, parents customarily bless their children, wishing to sons "May God make you like Ephraim and Menashe," the sons of Joseph, and to daughters "May God make you like Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel, and Leah," the matriarchs.

The Friday evening synagogue services include a special service known as "Kabbalat Shabbat," "Welcoming the Sabbath." This is followed by the daily evening service, maariv. After services people return home, often with guests in tow, since it is a mitzvah to have a guest at a festive meal.

Those who regularly observe Shabbat in some form know that it has a special radiance to it. That radiance is almost tangible by the time Shabbat dinner approaches, with wonderful smells emanating through the house and the table covered with beautiful linen and set with fine dishes.

Two songs are sung before the meal. The first, "Shalom Aleichem," welcomes the angels that, according to tradition, accompany synagogue attendees home, sort of a spiritual secret service. The second song, "Aishet Chayil" ("A Woman of Valor") is sung by all but meant from husband to wife, as a way of saying thanks for not clobbering me with that frying pan and giving me one of those cartoonish bumps on my head even though I sat on my butt while you did all the preparations for Shabbat.

The meal begins with kiddush, which is recited over a cup of wine or grape juice. Kiddush emphasizes God's creation, and that Jews should not create on this day, but rest as God rested; it also recalls the exodus from Egypt, implying that Jews are free to observe Shabbat, unlike when they were slaves in Egypt and could only rest if their masters permitted it.

On the table is a kiddush cup, a special cutting board and knife for the two braided loaves of bread known as challah. The challah recalls the manna in the desert, when God provided a double portion of manna on Friday so the Jews wouldn't have to desecrate Shabbat by gathering in food.

After kiddush, everyone washes his or her hands to prepare for eating bread. The meal begins with the Hamotzi blessing and distribution of bread. Shabbat meals are a great opportunity for family and friends to share what has happened during their week. People tell jokes and share stories, and some make a point of reciting a Dvar Torah, a short Torah thought, usually on the weekly portion.

After dessert, the Birkat Hamazon, Grace after Meals, is recited. Some sing z'mirot, Hebrew, Yiddish or English Shabbat songs.

After the meal, people often read, talk, take a walk, visit friends, play games, or just relax. And then there's one of those really well known mitzvahs-the positive commandment to have sexual relations on Friday night. Who says Jews don't perform mitzvahs with great fervor?

At Shabbat services the next morning, the Torah is read and followed by the Haftorah (Aramaic for "story"), the portion most commonly read by a bar/bat mitzvah boy or girl. An additional service, musaf, is also recited. Services conclude with a communal kiddush, offering a spread of food-quality and quantity depend of whether the synagogue has recruited a sponsor or is using its electricity money-and many leave the synagogue not hungry for the lunch that awaits them at home.

Shabbat lunch follows the same formula as dinner the night before. A popular lunch food is cholent, a traditional Eastern European dish of slow cooking meat, which begins cooking prior to the Shabbat and remains cooking until lunch.

What people do in the afternoon varies. In the summer, when Saturdays are the longest, some people study Torah, while others will play games or read. Everyone over the age of 14, however, tries to get in a good nap.

The third meal, Seudah Shlishit, follows the minchah (afternoon) service. Some eat this meal at home, and most synagogues that conduct minchah services serve a meal minimally consisting of bread rolls.

Shabbat ends with a special service known as Havdalah-literally "division"-that separates between the holy time and the rest of the week. Havdalah is said over a cup of wine, a braided candle that has more than one wick, and sweet-smelling spices. The candlelight signifies the distinguishing between Shabbat and the rest of the week, since fire is not created on Shabbat. The sweet-smelling spices come in response to the loss of the neshoma yetera, an additional soul absorbed on Shabbat that is lost when Shabbat ends.

Shabbat ends at nightfall, when three stars are visible, approximately 40 minutes after sunset. At the conclusion of Shabbat, the family performs a concluding ritual called Havdalah (separation, division). Blessings are recited over wine, spices and candles. Then a blessing is recited regarding the division between the sacred and the secular, between Shabbat and the working days, etc.

As you can see, Shabbat is a very full day when it is properly observed, and very relaxing. You really don't miss being unable to turn on the TV, drive a car or go shopping.


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fluctuant nec mergitur, I do appreciate your detailed overview of Kosher practices and the Sabbath.

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I am Muslim and I demand a cruise where this is no pork anywhere on the ship and no homosexuals on board either. Which cruise lines will do this for me and my brothers?
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None

quote:
Originally posted by Les:
I am Muslim and I demand a cruise where this is no pork anywhere on the ship and no homosexuals on board either. Which cruise lines will do this for me and my brothers?

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quote:
Originally posted by Les:
I am Muslim and I demand a cruise where this is no pork anywhere on the ship and no homosexuals on board either. Which cruise lines will do this for me and my brothers?

Don't forget your sisters on your "homosexual-free" cruise, Les.


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I have brothers in America. They tell me anyone can sue anyone in America and that Muslims are a protected class right now. We will sue cruise lines that don't meet our demands!
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Les,

Please explain to me how your previous post has anything to do with kosher cruising?


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