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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 02-18-2003 05:23 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
O.K I know that there are only two of you, out there, but never the less:

Hovertravel is the world's longest established commercial hovercraft operator.

Operations commenced on 24th July 1965 using an SRN6 hovercraft which carried just 38 passengers. Three modern 98 seat hovercraft now run between Ryde and Southsea, and over 18 million passengers have used the service to date.

Hovertravel/Hoverwork are currntly developing two larger passenger Hovercraft to replace there 98 seater models:
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Barryboat
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posted 02-18-2003 05:27 PM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Malcolm...I think hovercrafts are cool!!! I crossed the channel on one of those things one time and it was indeed an interesting experience. I love reading your posts about hovercrafts...I don't often respond though.
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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 02-28-2003 10:37 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Barryboat:
I love reading your posts about hovercrafts...

At least I have one fan!

Joe is very tolerant of my Hovercraft obsession. They hardly represent ?alternative cruising? really, do they?

O.k. lets now debate nude hovercraft travel or hovercraft and pets!

[ 02-28-2003: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]


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desirod7
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posted 02-28-2003 11:16 AM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:


O.k. lets now debate nude hovercraft travel or hovercraft and pets!

[ 02-28-2003: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]


Hmmmm, maybe a Hovercraft marijuana and LGBT cruise charter


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Vaccaro
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posted 02-28-2003 11:50 AM      Profile for Vaccaro   Author's Homepage   Email Vaccaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by desirod7:

Hmmmm, maybe a Hovercraft marijuana ...cruise charter


...me think the hovercraft wouldn't need to push that much its turbines for making its passengers lifting off... what significant fuel's economy for the company!

[ 02-28-2003: Message edited by: Vaccaro ]


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Barryboat
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posted 07-13-2003 09:30 PM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Are the hovercrafts used mostly by tourists on the English Channel? or do people actually commute?
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cruiseny
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posted 07-13-2003 11:16 PM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Barryboat:
Are the hovercrafts used mostly by tourists on the English Channel? or do people actually commute?

Well whatever they were used for, they aren't used for anything any more, sadly. (That is, the cross-channel ones - there are still small hovercraft on other services IIRC.)

I would have liked to have been on one of Hoverspeed's two giant hovercraft before the rather abrupt end to service!

They called them "Concorde of the seas" and I guess that is accurate as I would like to have been on both and never will be on either ...


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Barryboat
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posted 07-16-2003 03:24 PM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What happened? Why have the hoovercrafts been removed from service? Malcolm????
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cruiseny
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posted 07-16-2003 03:50 PM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Barryboat:
What happened? Why have the hoovercrafts been removed from service?

The hovercraft have been gone from service since October 2000.

There is an excellent article in the Feb. 2001 issue of Airways Magazine which you can buy here.

The hovercraft were essentially retired because they (like so many of our favorite passenger ships) are very fuel-thirsty. The seacats that are now favored by Sea Containers' passenger subsidiaries (including Hoverspeed) are much cheaper to operate though slower and much less unique.

The last two hovercraft in service, THE PRINCESS MARGARET and THE PRINCESS ANNE, are presently laid-up and for sale. They received massive refits in 1999 to bring them totally up-to-date and they are being maintained by Hoverspeed in hopes that they'll be able to sell them for further trading.

I have my doubts about that though... If I had a LOT of extra money lying around I'd buy them. Don't know what I'd do with two huge hovercraft, but what a unique toy a fleet of giant hovercraft would be ! If Richard Branson can have his Concordes ...


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cruiseny
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posted 07-16-2003 03:52 PM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
PS: Just noticed the typo "hoovercraft"... Now THAT is an idea... A hovercraft powered by vacums! Let's see, if we had diesels generating electricity to power a few "giant vacum cleaners" ...
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Onno
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posted 07-16-2003 04:06 PM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
PS: Just noticed the typo "hoovercraft"... Now THAT is an idea... A hovercraft powered by vacums! Let's see, if we had diesels generating electricity to power a few "giant vacum cleaners"

Actually Doug there already is a hovercraft powered by a Hoover vacuum cleaner, though it did not carry passengers! (It would have looked wonderful onboard a certain early decorated QE2)

Best, Onno

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This was the first of the Hoover Constellations, a type of cleaner they sold right up into the late 1960s. Later models were said to “float on air” — a cute advertising gimmick but in reality all it meant was that the exhaust blew onto the floor under the metal ring that the machine rested on. This did make it easier to drag the machine around; the exhaust formed a sort of cushion of air. However, it also affected the suction power of the machine because the free-flow of air through the cleaner was impeded and tended to blow dust around when the machine was lifted from the floor. A textbook example of form not following function!


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 07-16-2003 04:19 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by cruiseny:
The hovercraft were essentially retired because they (like so many of our favorite passenger ships) are very fuel-thirsty.

Well put Cruiseny.

They giant car carrying SRN4's were also 30 years old, originally hbeing designed for 10 years of service. Part and service obviously became an issue. Yes they were fuel hungry, as they were essentially low flying aircraft, complete with four gas turbine engines and air screws.

The new breed of hovercraft are much more fuel efficient, quieter and use diesel fuel which is cheaper. They have become high flying boats.

There is a consortium who are designing a giant state-of the-art, more fuel effecient hovercraft. I don't doubt that it is possible, but unfortunately, it may never be a reality?

Interestingly the SRN4 Hovercraft proved to be more reliable than the Seascats often do.


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cruiseny
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posted 07-16-2003 04:29 PM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
There is a consortium who are designing a giant state-of the-art, more fuel effecient hovercraft. I don't doubt that it is possible, but unfortunately, it may never be a reality?

Any more information on this? Web link?

quote:
Interestingly the SRN4 Hovercraft proved to be more reliable than the Seascats often do.

Many of the new HSCs don't seem to have very good reputations for reliability... Stena's HSS for instance has a really awful reputation amongst UK ferry-types.


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Barryboat
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posted 08-13-2003 10:12 PM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Haven't those Wave piercing Seacats take over the English Channel run from Dover? Is the Hoverspeed Great Britain one of the vessels that took over for the hovercrafts? I think it was the Hoverspeed Great Britain that took the Blue Ribbon trophy.
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Barryboat
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posted 08-14-2003 12:35 PM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Malcolm?
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Barryboat
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posted 08-25-2003 04:32 PM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What will be done with the hovercrafts after they are taken out of service? Or will they just be redeployed to another market?
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John Bowman
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posted 09-02-2003 04:04 AM      Profile for John Bowman   Email John Bowman   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For some years I've travelled over the Channel, and the hovercraft always fascinated me.
In rough weather, the 45 minute crossing could take 105 minutes, because so much power had to be diverted to keeping the craft flying, leaving so little to drive it forward and becuase the craft had to fly straight over to France, then along the beach, instead of diagonally Dover/Calais.
The crossing was noisy, smelly (aviation fuel) and the vibration was quite strong, but the hovercraft was an exciting way to cross the Channel. Also a great sight - especially on startup in Dover, when 20 foot flames shot out of the exhausts.
Also agree with previous posts on SeaCats - I don't remember ever being on one with al engines functioning ... though it crossed my mind that maybe the "fault" was strategic, to save fuel.

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Matts
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posted 09-02-2003 09:06 AM      Profile for Matts     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hovertravel is still going strong. It is used by commuters between Ryde (on the Isle of Wight - just outside Portsmouth) and Southsea (which is effectively the beachfront of Portsmouth. The craft provide yearround service.
The SEACATS have effectively replaced the giant hovercraft which used to cross the English Channel with cars and passengers. The hovercraft were considerably more reliable although SEACATS are getting better (the US Navy has recently purchased a new one after more than a year of trials). To date no vessel has even approached the record crossings of the hovercraft but as others have noted they were fuel hungry and effectively there were only 2 craft operating on 1960s built aero engines. One reason they went out of service was the difficulty in repairing and replacing the engines which the original suppliers (Rolls Royce) no longer wanted to support. First the hovercraft engines, then the Concorde engines .. web page

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Barryboat
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posted 09-02-2003 06:56 PM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Glad to hear the Hovercrafts are still in operation. I was wondering where they were positioned.
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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 09-02-2003 07:22 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
O.K. Barry, I could not resist joining in!

The AP-100’s which operate from Portsmouth to Ryde, as discussed above, carry 100 passengers at high speed, use economical diesel engines and are pretty quiet.

I'm sure that these refinements could be extended to a new giant car carrying Hovercraft, if there was the will and the need.


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John Bowman
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posted 09-03-2003 08:26 AM      Profile for John Bowman   Email John Bowman   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Did anyone ever see the French built hovercraft on the Channel? They had essentially rigid skirts, and were taken out of service very quickly because they just about shook themselves to bits!
Another problem with all the H/C on the Channel was, of course, noise. The French hoverports were a little ways outside Calais and Boulogne, with a run up over the beach, but the Dover hoverport was in the main harbour, which is right in the middle of the town. The noise, especially once the noise of cars etc died down, was quite incredible.

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Barryboat
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posted 09-03-2003 09:57 PM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
O.K. Barry, I could not resist joining in!

What took you so long to respond?

That's interesting about the French-built hoovercraft??? Hope their craftsmanship is better on the QM2.


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 09-06-2003 04:26 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was on vacation!

I think the 2 SRN4's are still for sale? Hoverspeed, were certainly still servicing their engines? I heard it said that a couple of million pounds would probably secure the pair?

However, the running costs would be high. I think they need several new air-screws. These were the biggest ever made a cost a million each! The skirts cost something like million to replace, too.

The operator you would need to build some slipways and terminal buildings and set up a maintence team etc. etc.

It is most unlikely that they will ever fly again!


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Barryboat
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posted 09-06-2003 08:58 PM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Malcolm,

I believe the company that's selling the two boats have all the needed spare parts including extra skirts and and motors etc. Check this out

I'll bet the price is no small coin, and running these boats must be expensive.


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