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Topic: QUEEN FREDERICA

NAL
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posted 10-06-2008 07:33 PM

I had the pleasure of watching the movie "Never On Sunday" during the weekend. I had forgotten there was a quick scene at the start of the film with National Hellenic American Line's Queen Frederica. Several Greek friends have told me she was very popular with Greek Americans for their trips to visit the mother land. She had a long, long career. Anyone ever sail a/b her?

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Waynaro
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posted 10-06-2008 08:10 PM

This month's issue of Ships Monthly has a nice article on the QUEEN FREDERICA. It is written by the author of "Chandris Liners and Celebrity Cruises" so perhaps it is just more or less the same thing. There were some nice color pictures of her though.

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NAL
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posted 10-06-2008 09:47 PM

Were there any interior photos? I have never seen any shots to show her decor.

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lasuvidaboy
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posted 10-06-2008 09:49 PM

My grandparents sailed on her when she was the Matsonia to Hawaii and my dad sailed on her when she was was Home Line's Atlantic. He sailed on her during a post-college trip to Europe in 1949 and returned home on Ile de France.

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Aussie1
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posted 10-06-2008 11:17 PM

Waynaro I think Peter Plowman wrote the book "Chandris Liners and Celebrity Cruises" and Peter Kohler wrote the Queen Fred article in Ships Monthly? Peter Plowman who is a friend of mine lives in Australia but grew up in Bermuda, Peter Kohler lives in the US.

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Waynaro
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posted 10-07-2008 01:50 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Aussie1:
Waynaro I think Peter Plowman wrote the book "Chandris Liners and Celebrity Cruises" and Peter Kohler wrote the Queen Fred article in Ships Monthly? Peter Plowman who is a friend of mine lives in Australia but grew up in Bermuda, Peter Kohler lives in the US.

You may be right, I briefly flipped through the new issue today down in the school's library. I will check again tomorrow.

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Maasdam
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posted 10-07-2008 04:34 AM

Read the article in Ship Monthly and enjoy it very much. The Queen have a very extended and interesting life.

Frome Simplon PC.

Greetings Ben.

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NAL
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posted 10-07-2008 07:36 AM

I read yesterday that National Hellenic American Line closed in her lower promenade and added more cabins to this space in 1960. The work had already been done by the time "Never On Sunday" was filmed. It can be seen easily in the film.

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Linerrich
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posted 10-07-2008 07:45 AM

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Originally posted by NAL:
Were there any interior photos? I have never seen any shots to show her decor.

All of my QUEEN FREDERICA brochure photos show rooms filled with people, focussing on them and you can hardly seen the rooms. But here are a few snapshots I took on board in September 1967. They aren't the best quality, but I was a 10-year-old kid with an Instamatic camera!

Lift & Stairs:

Gallery:

Forward Promenade:

Corner of Dining Room:

Rich

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Vaccaro
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posted 10-07-2008 07:53 AM

Thanks a lot Rich!
Invaluable shots...

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NAL
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posted 10-07-2008 08:31 AM

Thanks Rich. Those shots are great and surely very rare. She was a great old lady! Wonderful vintage rooms.

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Waynaro
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posted 10-07-2008 07:35 PM

Great pictures Rich! Thanks for sharing. Those are some rare interior shots.

I went down to the library today to check out the magazine once more, and it is indeed written by Peter Kohler, not Peter Plowman. There was a picture of her pool deck, and another of her outdoor promenade.

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Midshipcentury
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posted 10-07-2008 08:07 PM

Absolutely amazing photos, Rich! What a dream to see her in anything other than brochure images. I so wanted to do one of her ex-Palma cruises in 1973. Every time I go to Palma, I try to imagine the QF in the harbor, waiting to take me away.

Peter Knego

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Aussie1
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posted 10-07-2008 10:52 PM

Peter Plowman's book has a deckplan of the ship. It shows most of her main public rooms are up on the Boat Deck flanked by a very wide open promenade, which makes the rooms themselves very narrow. Also, like Home Lines did with the Lower Promenade deck earlier Chandris also closed in some further nice promenade space to add more cabins late in the ships career. Those interior pictures are amazing, she really looks nice interior wise, a bit similar in fashion to the doomed Yarmouth Castle. All the panneling looks like painted wood, I wonder if she had much varnished woodwork as well or was it nearly all painted over? Back in 1973 I managed to get one of her final cruise brouchures and it was a prized possession until my Grandma threw it out along my only Reina Del Mar brouchure amoungst others when she had a big clean up. She couldn't understand why I was so upset!

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Linerrich
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posted 10-08-2008 10:19 AM

quote:
Originally posted by NAL:
Thanks Rich. Those shots are great and surely very rare. She was a great old lady! Wonderful vintage rooms.

Thanks, I'm glad everyone enjoyed the photos. I still remember how mad my parents were that I had used up two entire flash cubes that day (they were new and expensive in 1967!)

And for those of you under 40, who don't know what a flashcube is, see this groovy commercial:
Flash Cubes

Rich

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seabourndt
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posted 10-08-2008 11:37 AM

what book is this where can i get a copy? would i get one at the ship show in london? hiope so my friend worked on the ship and might be coming. can i get this film?
dave

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Waynaro
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posted 10-08-2008 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by seabourndt:
what book is this where can i get a copy? would i get one at the ship show in london? hiope so my friend worked on the ship and might be coming. can i get this film?
dave

Peter Plowman's book "Chandris Liners and Celebrity Cruises" can be purchase pretty much anywhere online. I bought mine through Amazon I think. I think some bookstores may carry it, not sure though.

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desirod7
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posted 10-08-2008 12:15 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:
And for those of you under 40, who don't know what a flashcube is, see this groovy commercial:
Flash Cubes
Rich

Looks like it could be on the QE2 as original

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Maasdam
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posted 10-08-2008 12:21 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:
Thanks, I'm glad everyone enjoyed the photos. I still remember how mad my parents were that I had used up two entire flash cubes that day (they were new and expensive in 1967!)
And for those of you under 40, who don't know what a flashcube is, see this groovy commercial:
Flash Cubes
Rich

Very nice pictures Rich love theme......

I'm 38 and I know the Flash Cubes. My sister owned a Kodak Instamatic camera with Flash Cubes. They where easy camera's and quite good. But happy to have digital now.

Greetings Ben.

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Linerrich
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posted 10-08-2008 12:28 PM

quote:
Originally posted by seabourndt:
what book is this where can i get a copy? would i get one at the ship show in london? hiope so my friend worked on the ship and might be coming. can i get this film?
dave

Here is some info on the book: Chandris Liners

I highly recommend it, and not just because I've know Peter Plowman for 25 years. (Some of my photos are also in the book!)

Rich

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lasuvidaboy
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posted 10-08-2008 01:50 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Aussie1:
All the panneling looks like painted wood, I wonder if she had much varnished woodwork as well or was it nearly all painted over?

I have a Home Lines brochure and most of the paneling was painted. As I recall the main lounge had dark wood and maybe one other space (from late 1920s images I have seen). I'll dig it out and look for sure. Her interiors were basically the same (painted woodwork etc.) from her Matson days.

Its interesting that none of the public rooms appeared have a Hawaiian theme when she was Malolo/Matsonia. The later/rebuilt Matson ships featured a Polynesian design theme.

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Aussie1
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posted 10-08-2008 08:01 PM

Although I spent 6 weeks travelling on the Ellinis (ex Lurline.), have seen the Britanis yet never set eyes on the Queen Frederica it is that ship which to me is the most facinating of Matsons big 4. Her layout was unique compared to the other 3 and she received numerous refits throughout her career which are also interesting to track. (Much like the way Costa kept changing ships like the Federico C and Enrico C.) This discusion and the attendant pictures are the most interesting thread we have had on cruise travel for a while. Linerrich do you have any other pictures you took on the Queen?

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NAL
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posted 10-08-2008 10:29 PM

Aussie 1....it was actually during the National Hellenic Line days that the lower promenade was plated in and cabins were added to the space. Chandris may have added more later. That I do not know.

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Linerrich
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posted 10-09-2008 06:42 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Aussie1:
Linerrich do you have any other pictures you took on the Queen?

I have four more photos which I took, but they are dark and only show corners of lounges. I do have quite a few photos in brochures from National Hellenic (these photos were reproduced in the Chandris brochures) but those views are common.

Rich

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dougnewman
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posted 10-09-2008 03:18 PM

All this painted wood is really common in American ships of the era. I believe it's all just plywood underneath, not the sort of thing you'd want to varnish.

Later on this went the way of the dodo because of fire safety regulations.

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